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2010-09-17T16:53:23Z

Vipermagi:

This page is pretty ridiculously large, and will only grow after DIII is released. I can't imagine this loading fully on slower connections; when a page has to load more than 45 seconds, it times out; this happens to the [http://modsbylaz.hugelaser.com/uniques_tiered.html Median TU list] to a noticable amount of people (note that the list used to be a little larger; approx. 1/6th more). The D I/II/III images don't help on the matter either. May I ask what sparked the idea to merge three pages full of abbreviations? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

:It's meant to be a master list. Which is necessarily long. The D2-specific terms might be removed once D3 is out, and they fade from relevance. There's a similar list in the D2 wiki with just D1 and D2 terms for that. If the page loading times become unwieldy, it could be split into two halves, at "N" or wherever makes a nearly-even division. --[[User:Flux|Flux]] 13:46, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

::Incidentally, I nuked the icons for D1/D2/D3, which I guess Leord had added down through the Ds. I thought they were unnecessary and added a lot of visual clutter. --[[User:Flux|Flux]] 13:48, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

On second thought, I went over the entire list and removed all of the terms that only had a D2 meaning. The page is now streamlined and ready for all new abbreviations, and there's a link to the D2 version of the uber list on top of the page. [[User:Flux|Flux]] 15:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:Cheers. Really helped the page, in my opinion. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:53, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Reference

2010-09-17T16:50:51Z

Vipermagi: /* O */ -double

An uber list of abbreviations, acronyms, and other terms specifically related to Diablo III. Some common online chat/forum usage terms are included as well, since they are frequently asked about. Many terms are linked to articles that explain them in greater detail.

This list will grow greatly once the game is released and players start to create more short hand references.

* See the [[Glossary|Diablo Glossary]] for a concise list of common Diablo III game terms/concepts, with links to full pages of info.
* See the uber list of {{iw|Abbreviations_and_Acronyms Diablo II Abbreviations and Acronyms}} for a similar list of Diablo 2-exclusive terms.
** This list does not contain terms that are specific to Diablo I or Diablo II and '''not''' Diablo III.

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==Numbers==
* '''1337''' -- Leet as in 'leet speak'. Also "l33t." Originally meant as elite. Now usually used ironically.
* '''10 chars''' - All posts made on the [[Diii.net]] forums need 10 characters to be able to be posted. If you see this, the poster is making up the numbers.
* '''1H''' - one-handed weapon.
* '''2H''' - two-handed weapon.

==A==
* '''A1, A2, A3, A4, A5''' - Acts 1-5.
* '''AC''' - [[Armor Class]]. Also Defense.
* '''afaic''' - As far as I'm concerned.
* '''afaics''' - As far as I can see.
* '''afaik''' - As far as I know
* '''afk''' - Away From keyboard
* '''Alvl''' - Affix Level or Area Level.
* '''Ama/Azn/zon''' - [[Amazon]].
* '''Amu/Ammy''' - [[Amulet]]
* '''Andy''' - [[Andariel]]. One of the Lesser Evils. Act Boss of Act One in Diablo II.
* '''AoD''' - [[Area of Denial]]. The usual effect of an [[AoE]] spell, since it causes players to move out of the affected area, in effect denying them that portion of the screen.
* '''AoE''' - [[Area of Effect]]. A spell that targets an large area, dealing damage (or benefits) to anything in the vicinity.
* '''AP''' - [[Arcane Power]], the [[Wizard]] [[resource]] that replaced [[Instability]], which replaced [[mana]].
* '''AR''' - [[Attack Rating]].
* '''AS''' - Arreat Summit, the [[Arreat Summit|level]] or [[Battle.net]]'s official website for ''[[Diablo II]]'' at [[Blizzard Entertainment|Blizzard's]] site.
* '''ASAP''' - As soon as possible.
* '''Asn/asa/assy/sin''' - [[Assassin]].
* '''ATM''' - At the Moment.
* '''ATMA''' - [[ATMA|'''A''' '''T'''enshi '''M'''uling '''A'''pplication]], which is a single player muling utility, that includes a very useful drop calculator.

==B==
* '''B.net'''/'''Bnet''' - [[Battle.net]]. Blizzard's game server for Diablo II.
* '''B/O''' - Best Offer. Used in trading items.
* '''Baba'''/'''Barb''' - [[Barbarian]].
* '''BB or bb''' -Short for Bye Bye
* '''BBL''' - Be Back Later
* '''BBS''' - Be back soon
* '''Big D/Big Red''' - [[Diablo]] (the big [[Prime Evil]] in person).
* '''BIN''' - Buy it now. A fixed price, no negotiation.
* '''Blk''' - Block.
* '''bm''' - Bad manners. Indicating a [[PvP]] ruleset.
* '''[[BoE]]''' - [[Bind on Equip]]. Items that can not be removed without being destroyed once they are equipped. Only in ''[[Diablo III]]''.
* '''Boost''' - also [[tush]] or [[turbo]]. To use a higher level character to help a lower level one advance very quickly through the game, usually in order to gain greater rewards at a later point.
* '''[[BoP]]''' - [[Bind on Pick-up]]. Items that can not be dropped or traded once they are picked up. Only [[Quest]] items will be BoP in Diablo III.
* '''BM''' - the [[Barbarian]]'s [[Battlemaster Skill Tree]], or a Barbarian who specializes in that tree.
* '''Bp''' - [[Breakpoint]]. A general mark at which something improves further than before.
* '''Brb''' - Be right back.
* '''Brt''' - Be right there.
* '''Btc''' - Back to channel.
* '''BTS''' - [[Blizzard Entertainment|Blizzard]] Technical Support.
* '''BTW''' - By the way.
* '''BvB''' - [[Barbarian]] versus Barbarian [[duel]]ing.
* '''BvC''' - [[Barbarian]] v [[Caster]] ([[PvP]]).

==C==
* '''CB''' - {{iw|Charged_Bolt Charged Bolt}}. {{iw|Sorceress Sorceress}} lightning tree attack skill.
* '''CB''' - Crushing Blow.
* '''CBF''' - Cannot be frozen.
* '''C/O''' - Current Offer. Used when [[trade|trading]] different [[item]]s.
* '''CD/CDam/CDmg''' - Cold Damage
* '''CE''' - Cold Enchanted.
* '''Cg/grats/gz''' - Congratulations.
* '''Chan?''' - Go to channel.
* '''Char''' - [[Character]].
* '''chippies''' - chipped [[gems]].
* '''CI''' - Cold Immune.
* '''CL''' - {{iw|Chain_Lightning Chain Lightning}}. {{iw|Sorceress Sorceress}} lightning tree attack skill.
* '''Closed''' - Closed [[Battle.net]]. Online play with Battle.net-only [[character]]s.
* '''Clvl''' - [[Character level]].
* '''CM''' - CM has multiple meanings in regards to gaming and [[Diablo game]]s:
** Community Manager (like [[Bashiok]]).
** Community Member (like you!).
* '''CO''' - Current Offer, related to [[trade|trading]].
* '''[[Combo]]''' - A type of multi-hit [[Monk skill]].
* '''Coop/Co-op''' - [[Cooperative play|Cooperative play]], playing with others in [[PvE]] mode.
* '''CP''' - [[Checkpoint]]. The save points reached at the start of most dungeon levels in ''[[Diablo 3]]''.
* '''CR/CRes''' - Cold [[resistance]].
* '''Crit''' - [[Critical hit]] or critical strike. A blow that deals double damage + other effects, depending on damage type. May occur with all damage types in ''[[Diablo 3]]'', while it was only from [[physical]] damage in ''[[Diablo II]]''.
* '''CRM''' - Colour Rune Mod - Single Player utility that turns runes any colour.
* '''CtC''' - Chance to cast.
* '''CTH''' - Chance to Hit.
* '''Cube''' - The [[Salvage Cube]]. Refers to the {{iw|Horadric_Cube Horadric Cube}} in Diablo II.
* '''CU''' - Cursed, a [[debuff]].
* '''Cya''' - See you.

==D==
* '''D''' - [[Diablo]]
* '''D2''' - [[Diablo II]]
* '''[[D2C]]''' - Diablo 2 Classic.
* '''D2X''' - [[Diablo II: Lord of Destruction|Lord of Destruction Diablo 2 expansion]].
* '''D2M''' - Damage to Mana
* '''Dam''' - Damage
* '''DC''' (D Clone) - Diablo Clone.
* '''DD''' - Don't die
* '''Def''' - Defense
* '''Desynch''' - refers to desynchronizing with the server. That way, you appear to be somewhere other than your actual location on the opponent's screen. It is usually done by some form of very rapid movement. Note that instant movement (such as teleport) won't do this, and will in fact resynch with the server.
* '''DEX''' - Dexterity.
* '''DL''' - deadline in a trade EG DL10 = 10 hours before close
* '''dii''' - , also Diii.net. [[Diabloii.net]]. Longest running Diablo fansite.
* '''diii''', also [[Diii.net]]. A D3 reference and forum site.
* '''ding''' - Player announcing they've just leveled. (For the sound effect that's heard.)
* '''ding''' - Sound of a ring/amulet dropping. (Mostly used in Diablo I, where that sound was very distinctive and thrilling.)
* '''DIS - Desperately in search of
* '''Dmg''' - Damage
* '''DOH''' - Durance of Hate
* '''DOT''' - [[Damage Over Time]].
* '''DPA''' - Damage Per Attack.
* '''DPS''' - [[Damage Per Second]].
* '''DR''' (DR%) - Damage Reduced. Items with this mod reduce physical damage.
* '''Dropping (of items)''' - The act of entering a game to present any player in that game with items as freely given gifts, to be distributed among the players in the game as they see fit.
* '''DS''' - Deadly Strike.
* '''dupe''' - an item which has been duplicated.
* '''Durry''' - Duriel
* '''Dvd''' - Damage versus Demons.
* '''Dvm''' - Defense versus missiles.
* '''Dvu''' - Damage versus Undead.
* '''dweb''' - deaths web unearthed wand.

==E==
* '''ED''' - Enhanced Defense. A mod that increases defense on an item.
* '''ED/IAS''' - Enhanced Damage/IAS. Typically refers to a rare combination of mods on a jewel.
* '''EF''' - Extra Fast.
* '''eg''' - ''exempli gratia'' (Latin). Used to mean 'for example'.
* '''EIAS''' - Effective Increased Attack Speed.
* '''ENE''' (ENG. ERG) - Energy.
* '''ES''' (e-shield) - Energy Shield. Sorceress lightning tree defensive skill.
* '''ES''' - Extra Strong.
* '''ETF''' - [http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22 European Trade Forum].
* '''Eth''' - Ethereal.
* '''exp''' - Experience.
* '''Eye''' (EoE) - Eye of Etlitch Unique Amulet.
* '''EZPK''' - easy player kill, killing another player usually by ambushing them.

==F==
* '''FAQ''' - Frequently Asked Questions.
* '''FB''' - Fireball. Sorceress fire tree attack skill.
* '''FB''' - Fire Bolt. Sorceress fire tree attack skill.
* '''FBR''' - Faster block rate.
* '''FCR''' - Faster cast rate.
* '''FD''' (FDam, FDmg) - Fire damage.
* '''FE''' - Fire enchanted.
* '''FHR''' - Faster Hit Recovery.
* '''FI''' - Fire Immune.
* '''Flaming''' - Making a personal attack or insulting remark, intended to incite anger.
* '''Flavie''' - Single player reporting system that uses ATMA information and reports what sets/uniques/runes/gems the player has.
* '''Fpa''' - Frames per Attack.
* '''FPS''' - [[First Person Shooter]], a game genre like Doom or Quake.
* '''FPS''' - [[Frames Per Second]] (command needed /fps).
* '''FR (FRes)''' - Fire Resistance.
* '''FRW''' - Faster Run/Walk.
* '''FT''' - For trade or Fast Trade (BIN) depending on realm.
* '''FTW''' - for the win.
* '''FWIS''' - For what it is worth.
* '''FYI''' - For your information.

==G==
* '''gfi''' - Go for it.
* '''gg''' - good game. Standard response to your opponent after a PvP duel. Can also mean "good gear."
* '''Gj''' -- Good job.
* '''Gl''' -- Good luck.
* '''[[Glass cannon]]''' - A character that is very powerful (cannon) but not very durable (glass). This term most often refers to mage characters who deal out huge damage but die easily.
* '''gosu''' - godly or awesome. Very good.
* '''Grail''' - players attempting to find at least one of every set item and unique item in the game. Usually associated with single player because of ATMA.
* '''grush''' - glitched [[rush]], where an attempt to rush a low level character has gone awry.
* '''GS''' - [[Ground Stomp]], A Barbarian skill from the [[Juggernaut Skill Tree]].
* '''gtg''' - Good to go (or Got to go)

==H==
* '''H''' -- Hell. Third and last difficulty of Diablo 1 and 2.
* [[Hack]] -- (v) To cheat or use exploits in a game. (n) A program that enables such cheats.
* '''HC''' -- [[Hardcore]]. One death and game over.
* '''HCMTF''' - Hit Causes Monster to Flee.
* '''Hork(ing)''' - Using the Barbarian skill Find Item on corpses of slain enemies can yield items, dubbed horking for onomatopoeia reasons.
* '''Hot''' -- Warning that a portal or waypoint is dangerous to enter due to monsters crowding around the other end.
* '''HP''' -- Hit Points.

==I==
* '''i.e.''' - That is, for example. (''id est'' in Latin).
* IAS - Increased Attack Speed/Initial Attack Speed.
* '''ID''' - Identify.
* '''IIRC''' - If I recall correctly.
* '''Ilvl''' - Item Level.
* '''IMHO''' - In my humble/honest opinion.
* '''IMO''' - In my opinion.
* '''Ind''' - Indestructible.
* '''Inv''' - Inventory.
* '''[[Ironman]]''' - A [[LotL]]-related play style that does not allow characters to return to town or interact with NPCs in anyway, other than as required to complete quests.
* '''ISO''' - in search of.
* ITD - Ignore Target's Defense.

==J==
* '''j/k''' -- Just kidding.
* '''Jugg''' or '''Juggs''' or '''Juggz''' or '''Jugger''' -- The [[Barbarian]]'s [[Juggernaut Skill Tree]], or a Barbarian who specializes in that tree.

==K==
* '''k''' - Okay.
* '''kk''' - ok.
* '''KA''' - Kick ass (very good).
* '''KB''' - Knockback.

==L==
* '''L''' - Ladder. (Usually seen in trade Forums).
* '''l337''' - Elite.
* [[LAEK]] - [[Life After Every Kill]]. An item modifier.
* [[LCS]] - The [[Lying Character Screen]]. The Diablo 2 Character window was notorious for displaying incorrect information. It's hoped the Diablo 3 character screen will be more accurate.
* '''LD''' - (LDam, LDmg) - Lightning damage.
* '''LE''' - Lightning Enchanted.
* LEB - Lightning enchanted boss.
* '''Leech''' - (noun) One who leeches. (Experience or items from other, more active players. Usually a derogatory term)
* '''Leech''' - (verb) Life or Mana steal. Expected to be very rare in Diablo III.
* '''Leeching ''' - Gaining experience by standing around and letting others fight (rather than actually playing the game).
* '''legit''' - legitimate item, not a dupe.
* '''LEM''' - Lightning Enchanted monster.
* '''LHC''' - [[ladder]] hard core.
* '''LI''' - Lightning immune.
* '''LL''' - Life Leech.
* '''LLD''' - Low level dueling. [[PvP]] dueling characters at a pre-set level to limit their equipment choices and skill options.
* '''lmao''' - laughing my ass off.
* '''LoD''' - Lord of Destruction. The Diablo II expansion. Also referred to as D2X.
* '''LOL''' - Laughs out loud.
* '''[[LotL]]''' - Live off the Land. A play style in which characters use only items they find themselves, and do not purchase anything from [[NPCs]].
* '''LR''' - Lightning resistance.
* '''LS''' - [[Locust Swarm]], a Witch Doctor skill from the [[Plague Skill Tree]].
* '''LSC''' - ladder soft core.
* '''LTB''' - Looking to Buy.
* '''LTT''' - Looking To Trade.
* '''Lvl''' - Level.

==M==
* '''Max''' - Maximum.
* '''MB''' - Mana Burn.
* '''MD''' (MDam, MDmg) - Magic Damage.
* '''Meph''' - [[Mephisto]]. Brother to [[Baal]] and [[Diablo]] and one of the three [[Prime Evils]]. The Act 3 Act Boss in Diablo 2.
* '''Merc''' - Mercenary.
* '''MF''' - Magic Find.
* '''MI''' - Magic Immune.
* '''MiC''' - Meet in Channel (also MiP).
* '''Min''' - Minimum.
* '''ML''' - Mana Leech. Unknown in Diablo III.
* '''MLD''' - Mid Level Duel. Characters used for dueling at a set maximum level to limit their skill and equipment use. See also vLLD and LLD.
* '''mlvl''' - Monster Level.
* '''MM''' - [[Magic Missile]], a Wizard skill from the [[Arcane Skill Tree]].
* '''Mod''' - Modifier. Adds a characteristic to an item such as a weapon or charm.
* '''Mod''' - Moderator. A member responsible for moderating a forum or channel.
* '''Mod''' - Modified game version of Diablo 2. (allowing varied game play of an old favorite)
* '''Moron''' - Merc or [[Mercernary]].
* '''MP''' - Multi-Player.
* '''MP''' - Mana Points.
* '''MPK''' - Mana per kill
* '''MR''' - Magic Resistant.
* '''MS''' - Multi -Shot. A mod available to boss monsters.
* '''msg''' - message.
* '''MSLE''' or '''MSLEB''' - Multi -Shot Lightning Enchanted. Extremely dangerous combination of boss mods in Diablo 2, prior to v1.10.
* '''Mules''' - characters used to store extra items
* '''Muling''' - moving items from one character to another for storage or onto a character to be used. Either mules or ATMA (D2 single player only).

==N==
* '''N00b''' - Newb. Nub. Newbie. Newcomer to the game. (generally used as an insult).
* '''Nat's''' _______''' - Piece of Natalya's Odium set. Made for the Assassin.
* '''nbd''' - No big deal.
* '''NDE''' - Near Death Experience (when a character JUST manages to escape a very dangerous situation).
* '''Necro''' - Necromancer.
* '''Nerf''' - Generally refers to spells or weapons that have their effectiveness reduced in a patch.
* '''Newb''' - Newbie. Newcomer to the game. (often used as an insult).
* '''NG''' - New Game/Next Game.
* '''nking''' - naked killng. IE killing someone retrieving their body.
* '''NL''' - non -ladder (also NLSC, NLHC [see HC, SC#2]).
* '''NM''' - Nightmare. The second level of difficulty in Diablo 1 and 2.
* '''Nm (nvm)''' - Never mind.
* '''Norm''' - Normal. Usually refers to the first level of difficulty in Diablo II.
* '''No -Twink (Untwinked)''' - No-twink groups and players use and equip only what they find specifically with that character, rather than bringing in items, usually much higher level items, found by others.
* '''NP''' - No Problem.
* [[NPC]] - Non-Player Character.
* '''Nr=Nt''' or NRNT - No Response means No Thanks.
* '''NRG''' - Energy.
* '''NTC''' - No Title Char for acquiring SoJs in classic CS.
* '''NTPP''' - New Traders Probationary Period. See SPTF Rules for details.

==O==
* '''OMG''' - Oh my god.
* '''Open''' - Open [[Battle.net]]. Online play with characters saved on your computer. Diablo 2 only.
* '''orgset''' - organ set.
* '''os''' - open socket.
* '''OT''' - Off Topic.
* '''OTF''' - Off-Topic Forum.
* '''OTOH''' - On the other hand.
* '''OW''' - Open Wounds (more used than 'wounds'). A [[special modifier]] that may or may not return in Diablo III.

==P==
* '''Pally''' - Paladin
* '''Parked/parking''' - having a monster follow you to a certain point and then runing away fast enough to leave it there
* '''PC''' - Price Check. This means they want to know how much something is worth.
* '''PD (PDam, PDmg)''' - Poison Damage.
* '''PDR''' - Physical Damage Reduction.
* '''pdsc''' - Poison damage small charm.
* '''perm'' - a FAKE way of making a duped item not poof. They don't work, don't ask
* '''perm a game'''- holding a game open for five minutes so it says there when you leave. Often used for muling.
* '''PG (PGems)''' - Perfect Gems
* '''pi''' - physical or poison immune
* '''[[PK]]''' - [[Player killing]]. Usually associated with ambushing players to kill them. A form of [[PvP]] not to be confused with [[dueling]]. PKing is not possible in Diablo III, since there is no PvP option in normal games.
* '''PKK''' - Player Killer Killer. A player who kills player killers.
* '''PMH''' - Prevent Monster Heal.
* '''poof''' - have an item disappear.
* '''Porter''' - Teleporting Boss.
* '''Pots''' - Potions.
* '''PR (PRes, PsnRes)''' - Poison resistance.
* '''[[Proc]]''' - "Process"/"Special Procedure. Means chance of a [[skill]] or [[item]] effect to be activated under certain circumstances.
* '''Psn''' - Poison.
* '''Purist''' - Characters who only use items they found themselves. No trading, transfering of items from other characters, or Magic Finding.
* '''[[PvE]]''' - Player versus Environment. Also PvM.
* '''[[PvM]]''' - Player versus Monster. Also PvE.
* '''[[PvP]]''' - Player v Player combat. Dueling. Not to be confused with [[PK]]ing.
* '''PW''' - Password.

==Q==
* QFT - Quoted For Truth; what s/he said is correct.
* qlvl - quality level.

==R==
* '''r''' - Ready. This is the standard signal among players in a group before triggering a monster urn/shrine or entering a treacherous area.
* '''R/W''' - Run Walk
* '''read''' - usually in trade games. e.g., "UM 4 read" means for details read the description
* '''Rec''' - Recovery.
* '''Regen''' - Regeneration.
* '''Rejuv''' - Rejuvenation Potion.
* '''Req''' - Requirement.
* '''Res''' - Resistance.
* '''rl''' - Real life (the messy and often unpleasant world found away from the computer screen).
* '''Rlvl''' - Required Level.
* '''RMT''' - [[Real Money Trading]]. Selling game items for real world cash money. Prohibited by Blizzard and generally frowned on by gamers.
* '''ROFL''' - Rolling on the floor laughing.
* '''RQ''' -Used to refer Hellforge quest.
* '''RtM''' - Read the Manual.
* '''run''' - to repeatedly kill monsters in a certain area or a boss in an effort to find items. (Usually done with [[magic find]].
* '''Rush - Also turbo or taxi. To use a high level character to assist a lower level character(s) in moving quickly through the game.
* '''Rushing''' - A low level character getting pushed through levels of the game by a much higher level character, where the lower character could not play effectively alone.

==S==
* '''SC''' - Soft Core. Non-[[Hardcore]] characters.
* '''script''' - descriptions, usually in trade games, e.g., "UM 4 script" means for details read the description.
* '''SD''' - Shadow Disciplines. One of the Assassin skill trees.
* '''S/E''' - Save and exit. Usually to avoid an untimely death. Considered poor form in some circles, usually Hardcore.
* '''Sec''' - Hang on a second.
* '''Single Pass''' - going through the game without re-running an area.
* '''slivering''' - taking a moster down to the bare minimum of health before killing, usually with some other weapon for greater [[magic find]] benefit, or to let another character get the last hit (such as while rushing) to give the lower level character the kill credit.
* '''Slow''' - Slows Target. Item mod that slows enemies.
* '''Slvl''' - Skill Level.
* '''SoJ''' - Stone of Jordan Unique Ring.
* '''Sorc''' - Also Soso, Sasa. Sorceress. D2 character.
* '''SP''' - Single Player. Usually refers to single-player mode.
* '''spdc''' - small poison damage charm.
* '''Spec''' - Spectral Hit.
* '''SPF''' - Single Player Forum.
* '''SPTF''' - Single Player Trade Forum.
* '''SPoints''' - Skill Points.
* '''S/S''' - Sword/Shield.
* '''SS''' - Stone Skin. Wizard skill.
* '''ST''' - [[Slow Time]], a Wizard skill.
* '''Stam''' - Stamina.
* '''Storing''' - Transferring items from one in-game character to a character not in game.
* '''STR''' - Strength.
* '''Strat''' - Strategy.
* '''Synch''' - refers to synchronizing with the server, thus going back to normal. Can be done through instant movements (teleportation, waypoints, portals) to defeat a desynched state.
* '''[[Synergy]]''' - Skills that directly boost or are boosted by points in other skills. Very common in D2.

==T==
* '''TC''' - [[Treasure Class]]. Organizational system for item spawning.
* '''TE (Tele)''' - [[Teleport]]. A Wizard skill.
* '''tft''' or '''t4t''' - thanks for that or thanks for trade
* '''TG''' - Town Guarding. Hanging around outside town to kill anyone coming out. See [[PK]]. No longer an issue in Diablo III.
* '''thx''' - Thanks.
* '''tking''' - town killing.
* '''T/O''' - Top Offer. Used in trading items.
* '''TP''' - Trading Post.
* '''TP''' - [[Town Portal]]. Not included in Diablo III.
* '''Transferring''' - Interchanging items between characters, including activites referred to as muling, twinking and storing.
* '''Trolling''' - Making provocative, controversial or offensive remarks, intended to create a confrontational response. Usually found in forums.
* '''ttyl''' - Talk to you later.
* [[Twink]]/Twinked/Twinking - To give high quality items to new characters, usually other characters on your own account. Twinking is the process of doing this. Twinked refers to a character who has been so equipped. Twinking is most often done to brand new characters to make the leveling up process easier, but the term also refers to equipping high level characters with great items they haven't found themselves.
* '''ty''' - Thank you.
* '''tyt''' - Take your time.
* '''tyvm''' - Thank you very much.

==U==
* '''Uber''' -- Awesome, Ultimate, Elite. Often used ironically.
* '''UI''' -- [[User Interface]]. Also GUI, Graphical User Interface.
* '''Unid'd''' or '''Un'ID'ed''' -- Unidentified [[item]].
* '''Untwinked''' -- Characters using only what they find. See [[twink]].
* '''Uped (Up'd. Upd)''' - Upgraded version of the item. Achieved with the Horadric Cube. Normal ->Exceptional ->Elite
* '''USETF''' - United States East Trade Forum.

==V==
* '''Vanilla''' - Single Player term means without mods
* '''VIT''' - Vitality.
* '''Vlld''' - Also vLLD. Very low level dueling, usually level 9 in Diablo II. This greatly limits the skills and equipment that can be used, and simplifies the dueling experience somewhat. See also LLD and MLD.

==W==
* '''W8''' - Wait.
* '''WB''' - Weapon Block. An Assassin Shadow Disciplines Skills.
* '''wb''' - Welcome back
* '''WD''' - [[Witch Doctor]].
* '''Weap''' - Weapon.
* '''[[WiP]]''' - Work in Progress.
* '''Wiz''' - [[Wizard]].
* '''Woot''' - w00t. Yippee!
* '''Wounds''' - Open Wounds.
* '''[[WoW]]''' - [[World of Warcraft]]. Blizzard's other RPG.
* '''WoZ''' - [[Wall of Zombies]], one of the [[Witch Doctor skills]].
* '''WP''' - [[Waypoint]].
* '''WSM''' - weapon speed modifier or base weapon speed
* '''WTF''' - What the F***. What was that?! Or (US)West Trading Forum.
* '''[[WUG]]''' - "What you got?". Common B.Net Trade talk meaning "What do you have to offer?"
* '''WUW''' - "What you want?". Common B.Net Trade talk meaning "What do you want for that item?"
* '''WW''' - [[Whirlwind]]. A [[Barbarian]] combat skill found in Diablo 2 and Diablo 3.

==X==
* '''Xbow''' - Crossbow.
* '''Xfer''' - Transfer.
* '''XP''' - Experience.

==Y==
* '''y''' - Yes
* '''yw''' - You're welcome.

==Z==
* '''Zanmato''' -Using a VERY cheap skill to kill something.
* '''Zerk''' - The [[Berserker Skill Tree]], one of the Barbarian's skill trees
* '''Zerker''' - A barbarian who specializes in skills from the [[Berserker Skill Tree]]
* '''Zon''' - Amazon.

[[Category:Reference]]
[[Category:Basics]]
[[Category:Abbreviations]]

User talk:Elly

2010-08-19T16:54:03Z

Vipermagi: /* Greetings */

==Greetings==

Hello Elly, i would like to say thx for transferring the Artisan NPC article to the Artisan Article, this will make linking it easier... I didnt know how to do it myself, nor do i know if i even could do it and i didnt wanna infringe on a fanmade article. Poor, poor guy...

Anyway, im Leord's apprentice in a way.... i started editing since the Fury reveal and Leord was kind enough to teach me in the Sacred Art of Wiki Editing. Do you know where he went btw? seems like he dissappeared... Wiki seems a bit sad without him. Hope to hear from you soon.

--[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 12:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. I didn't know how to do it either I just took a stab at it and it worked:) I didn't realise the Artisan page was taken by a fanmade page. No matter. Leord will be back, don't worry. He'll be doing less but will still be around for now he's gone on holiday so he's afk. Still Flux and me though, hopefully we'll do:) --[[User:Elly|Elly]] 15:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

* Could you tell me how to do it? i would like to make the [[Blacksmith]] article to stop redirecting to the [[Vendor]], and to a new article about the Blacksmith, the quest and his name.

::When you get redirected, there's a small message just under the top bar (the bar with "Artricle-Talk-Edit" and stuff), which states "Redirected from <nowiki>[[page]]</nowiki>". Click on the link (in this case: the link to Blacksmith), and press edit :)
::Also; Hi there. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Other classes

2010-07-25T18:20:26Z

Vipermagi: /* Speculation */ also, lol mounts.

==Speculation==
well so the fifth class cant be represented by a normal char, so it is obviosly very exotic and doesnt take up the same space as normal char. that is my closest speculation. im curious now.
other plz veiws -- 21:51, 22 February 2009 Deadlyambitions

:Before I reply let me ask you to sign your posts on talk pages... you have to manually add the line that I'm placing at the bottom. It makes it easier to read. Check out the [[Help:Talk]] article. Dating them also helps put comments in context... like if someone comes over here and looks at this talk page after the 4th class is released...
:That said the two theories I like best are shape-shifter and summoner. It should be easy to make an NPC frame take the place of any class... maybe with a shape-shifter you couldn't... tho I would think you could just pick a different NPC for the other form... also it would seem like with a summoner you could use NPC or MOB graphics as the summons...
:--[[User:Belushi81x|Belushi81x]] 12:52, 23 February 2009 (CET)

::Thanks for holding the fort, Belushi!

::Personally, I think that the summoner is very possible, but a little bit of his mandate is weakened by the fact that the [[Witch Doctor]] actually has summons AT ALL. I think we'll DEFINITELY see a ranged non-magic or semi-magic class, much like an Amazon, and the Summoner is having to battle it out with a Melee/Magic user, similar to a Paladin, or similar class... (A [[Dervish]])? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:24, 26 February 2009 (CET)

'''Can't be rogue'''
In Diablo 3, every character can be a male or female. So I think rogue (which is a pure sisterhood) or amazon cannot be the 5th class. The character could be a ranger (male or female) with good ranged skills, tracking and healing abilities :D If he is able to fight with a mount, that'd be awesome. Maybe requiring a mount is why that 5th class cannot be represented using existing NPC model art.

:Being a Rogue doesn't mean being part of the Sisterhood of the Sightless Eye per se. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:20, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Leord

2010-07-14T13:49:20Z

Vipermagi: /* Uniques and Set Items */

{{:User:Leord/Talk navbox}}

==Welcome 3==
I had to archive my talk page even further, as it was once again getting long. Welcome to the new one, feel free to leave any messages at the bottom of the page!

You can find the old ones above on the navigation. Please don't edit those one! :P If you want to continue on older topics, make a new one and bring it up like if it was a new one. I brought over a few topics that are a bit recent.

Cheers! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:50, 12 July 2010 (UTC)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:34, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

== Holy fishes ==
I peek back and find.. 1500 spam posts. I don't think blocking the individual accounts will help much; they seem to make an account per post. Semi-blocking account creation (putting the Page Creation right into a usergroup that's only granted to real users by hand) for a few days may or may not help; it would at least stop them from making more pages. I don't think you're going to be able to wait this one out. 
Also, are you going to delete the spam pages, or just leave them there? (just curious) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 10:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:Hey man! Indeed so. We've been spammed. Not 1500, more like a few hundred (280 or so). I have now manually banned them all, I hope no real users were banned in the process. Will start deleting pages now. Rushster was adamant to not have manual confirmation of users, so that's not happening, but he has installed Re-Captcha, and the second that went live, it seemed to stop, so good tidings. This could have gone on for a week if we were unlucky!

:I Don't think you have permissions to delete pages, but if you do, go ahead and help me delete them. :)

: PS, you like the new navboxes? :)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::WOW! I went to do my daily web surf and saw that stack of deleted pages and... just WOW! I'm speechless...
::--[[User:Belushi81x|belushi81x]] 15:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Lol, tell me about it! It's a full day's work just getting rid of the SHITsters. God, I am pissed off at the moment. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::::Yeah, 1500 was a... slight hyperbole :) Good to hear the spambot(s) has (have) been stopped.
::::I cannot delete pages. Way back then you couldn't find the user rights page, and then we derailed the topic I think. Oh well, doing fine without :P
::::Not sure which navboxes you are referring to. Haven't really looked at content pages lately because Blizzard hasn't really released anything (anxiously awaiting BlizzCon), so if you're referring to navboxes on content pages, I haven't seen them yet. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::Well, I [http://diablowiki.net/index.php?title=Special%3AUserRights&user=Vipermagi know how to do it] now, but that means you'd have Admin rights. I trust you, but I don't think we can make you admin, as you're not THAT much in to the whole thing, and we haven't spoken that much... I'll have to discuss with Flux & Elly :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::But you forgot how to link ;) You guys should be able to make another usergroup that only has Delete rights, or anything else really. As for my interest, I still check pretty much every non-fanmade-space edit that pours through the wiki. I'm no good at adding content, though (what, where, how? No idea), so I don't make many edits. With new content comes new typos however, and that's the gist of what I've fixed up around here ^^
::::::So how about those navboxes you mentioned?
::::::EDIT: Oh. The class navbox, I presume. That's pretty awesome. Personally find it a tidbit annoying that the size of it changes dynamically due to the tabbing and different sizes of those, but it's a minor issue at best. Now to hope the spell names don't go too long so the box doesn't stretch in width :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Personally, I don't mind much, but I can see your point. As for the skills, there's no other plausible way, and also, no point in spending loads of time on something that will change in October. I'd much rather re-visit it then. I don't think spell names will be a major deal tbh. Will just have to change the cell widths about a bit if that's the case. OR, if it's a long name, it's usually multiple words, not one long word, so it will break to two lines or the like.

:::::::As for edits, what about you perhaps help me with like making individual item pages for Uniques and Set items in the D2 wiki? It's a fairly straight-forward job, and mostly copy+pasting. Not likely you will make mistakes. ;) It's not great fun, but very very useful in the long run. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::What where and how? :p --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

==Uniques and Set Items==
Like [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Special:Contributions/Leord this], the Trang-Oul stuff etc. All those items. I have made some quite advanced templates for it, that will work for D3 later as well (hopefully).

:So I take, for example, [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Bul-Kathos%27_Children BK's two swords]. I put the two swords on the Set page in the new template (ex. [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/index.php?title=The_Disciple&diff=next&oldid=18946 here]), create two new pages (1 per sword), and put the sword data and background in a mold (ex. [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Telling_of_Beads here]).
:Did I get that right, miss anything? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Yes, awesome, it's amazing to ask someone to do something and they understand without massive explanations! :D However, if you do have questions on how some of the templates work, ask me. There might be info missing on the help sections. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:::I guess previous experience with content splitting helps a little ;) I'll drop you a line somewhere if I can't figure it out. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::Massive love your way man. I'd really liked to have been done with it ages ago, but just have not had the time!

::::It may look a little bit weird without "background", but you can probably find most of the lore for these things, if they exist, in the D3Wiki, or else just leave it looking a little weird, and I can help with lore.

::::I suggest just making one piece of background for all of the pieces, and paste it in, to save time, that's what I did. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::How do I list 1h ''and'' 2h damage in the Itembox? Looked around the code, but it seems to only accept two values; melee once and ranged once. BK's Sacred Charge can be wielded in one hand as well. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:05, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::Long story short: I had to go (which is why I didn't get other sets done today), so I kept the edit hoping for the 2h/1h damage business to be explained, and now I have to shut down the computer. I'm going to save the edits, and check back tomorrow. Additionally, I'll probably split a couple other sets as well tomorrow. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::Oki, seems I missed that then. I'll try to fix it asap. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 09:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::I have updated the itembox now: Just use the same damage indicator as the old, but add "_1h_" in it. Juct check {{iw|Template:Itembox Template:Itembox}} for the legend of how to do it. Other than that, I also wanted to compliment you on your progress. Very well done! :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Thanks (twice) <3 Updating BK's again. I plan to do one set a day, more if I have time to kill.
:::::::Also; I didn't know all sets were 1.10, so I ?'d that one. Meant to ask that, but must've forgotten. Well, you spotted it :) Will keep it in mind for the next set(s).
:::::::Something is causing a major break on Arcanna's Tricks, though. I have no idea what :( --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 12:57, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::On it, will shortly make another comment here, just informing you I am on it, found the cause. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::Oki. First off, is there no chance to talk to you directly with icq or msn? Would make things a LOT easier! :P Secondly, I have a few comments. I do NOT know they are all Patch 1.10, but if you add a "?", it kind of fucks up. I am fairly certain they are all 1.10, so if they are not, more skilled people than us can update them imho. If we choose not to display patch, just comment out that choice instead of "?".

::::::::* All items '''must have an ilvl''' at the moment, that is why some pages fuck up. I will fix it shortly. In either way, even later, make sure that ilvl is commentated out, not set to "?" as it fucks up the templates and categories.
::::::::* Type = item type - What I mean is that "type" in the list is the sort of item, not slot. At one place you set "Main Hand" for type, where it probably needed to be "Sword".
::::::::* Check out {{iw|M%27avina%27s_Battle_Hymn M%27avina%27s_Battle_Hymn}}, which is the closest to perfect a set can come.
::::::::* Will get right on the ilvl bugs now :)
::::::::--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::FIXED! :) Now I'm just gona work on the categories, so they work when no ilvl is added.--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::You can add me on MSN if you want. I have my status set to Offline by default, and may or may not respond in a timely fashion. Left my adress in a comment. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Leord

2010-07-14T12:57:52Z

Vipermagi: /* Uniques and Set Items */

User talk:Leord

2010-07-12T20:37:40Z

Vipermagi: /* Uniques and Set Items */

User talk:Leord

2010-07-12T17:05:53Z

Vipermagi: /* Uniques and Set Items */ also, dinner. This is /really/ time-consuming!

User talk:Leord/2

2010-07-12T16:33:59Z

Vipermagi: /* Uniques and Set Items */

==Welcome 2==
I had to archive my talk page, it was getting too long. Welcome to the new one, feel free to leave any messages at the bottom of the page!

You can find the old one [[User talk:Leord/1|here]]. Please don't edit that one! :P If you want to continue on older topics, make a new one and bring it up like if it was a new one. I brought over a few topics that are a bit recent.

Cheers! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:34, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

__TOC__

== Appreciation ==
Thank you for the touch-ups you did to the Alchemist page. As an English major, I was in agony over making such a mistake as putting "theirselves". If there are any other problems with the page, please feel free to correct them. I have not had much experience in writing webpages, but I am learning. Also, if you have any ideas, I am very open to imput. I do have a question: Is '''diablowiki.net''' connected to '''diii.net'''? I have noticed that my Alchemist page has appeared there as well, I wanted to make sure they were allowed to do so. -- 21:25, 8 July 2009 [[User:Kire|Kire]]
: You're quite welcome! :) Any edits in the wiki, you can get help in the [[Help|help section]]. As for Talk page comments, you can simply sign them with the press of a key, more info [[Help:Talk|here]].
: Diii.net is running DiabloWiki, but the contribs here does not necessarily have any connections with Diii.net. As for classes, do you mean [http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?t=731429 this one]? Doesn't look like it's the same, other than the name. :) As for "allowed", I am not sure what you mean. It's the internet, and you probably don't have a trademark for Alchemist. ;) Other than that, we don't impose any special user rights other than normal law. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:49, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::For what I can find, anything on this Wiki is completely uncopyrighted, so it's basically right-to-copy.
::Somewhat related is the message above the Summary bar; "(see [[Project:Copyrights]] for details)". Redlink, oops? ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:31, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::I know there are some rights reserved, for legal reasons etc. But over all, it's a pretty open affair :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:41, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::::Thanks again for clearing that up! And I do recognize that people are free to copy and edit anything on the site, so I'm not trying to lay claim to it. Sorry if I sounded like a jealous user -I think I was just shocked to see links to the Alchemist page on other sites so quickly. I need to also thank you for the link you gave me to the forum at Diii.net on Alchemists. I am now in touch with users with similar interests to my own! --[[User:Kire|Kire]] 11:27, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool! Yeah, things I do tend to get popular quick. Great to be back online as well. Been a horrible 2 odd weeks! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Skill template ==
Holidays are boring. 
Do you know approx. what skill pages you've created? I can spend some hours creating pages, since I have little better to do :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 00:02, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:While I possibly have your attention: [[Special:Contributions/AlgetMonco]] → Vandal that dislikes you. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:29, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:: Noticed. He's blocked now. I don't know if that helps. thatnks for keeping my talk page clean. Need to start archiving now as well :P

:: As for the skills, it's pretty easy to see which ones are made by looking at the skill navboxes for the wizard. I am literally doing one tree at the time, going through it from first to last :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:::When I get some free time again (preparing for a LAN weekend atm :) ) I'll start with the Barbarian. *writes a note on his desktop* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:02, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

::::Absolutely awesome. As we finalize these, we'll start making more wiki updates on the front of Diii.net as well. We took a big hit for the downtime, no time to spare to get it back! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:04, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Synnargeez ==
[[Conjured_Health#Synergies]]. CH synergizes with Mirror Image, not the other way around; I figured that header would be for skills that synergize with the skill you're looking at? Makes more sense to me. What's your thoughts on this case? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:24, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:Well, my idea was to have the term "synergy" to basically list all spells that are directly related. I'm using an old term because people are familiar with it. I am fairly certain there will be no "generally synergistic" spells like in Diablo II. You will have the 1 Rank spells (for Wizard) and then the 15 rank Skills. Possibly 2-15 varies between skills, but that basic design. A bit like skills and talents in one tree, talking in WoW terms (I should make an article about that!). --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:What do you think? I am very open for suggestions at this stage :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::I just find listing affected skills on passives a bit redundant, since the direct effect is listed in both Background and Description.
::Also, on skill ranks: Base will be 5 max, and it's possible to get a higher cap (10 and 15) for an X amount of skills (unknown X). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:51, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::We'll see about the base. Most Wizard skills are 15. As for listing, I like it. It's like the official list with all things affecting or affected by it. If someone wants to reference a spell, it's great to have it in a standardised place, if you can't be bothered to look for the link in BG/Description etc. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:58, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::::A Bashiok quote on skill point caps:
:One important addition to this is the skill caps themselves. Currently we're envisioning the majority of skills to be capped at 5 points, to begin with. As a form of progression we're planning for players to be able to increase the point caps of skills. More than likely to a maximum of 15. It's a system that's still under heavy design, but the fact of choosing and increasing key skills beyond their initial cap is important to this new unified tier system.</pre>
::::So, most Wizard skills are actually 5 :P
::::As for the list: Okay. It's not like I'll die over the redundancy :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:25, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool. We'll we will have to update this as we move along. Could you make a short paragraph in the [[skill]]s article about the tier system? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:27, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

==Skill / Skill tree / Tier==
[[Skill#Earlier_Info]] has a link to [[Skill_tree]] which has info on Skill [[tier]]s.

We could either split up Skill tree and Tier into two articles, or keep it on one page. I'm fine with either (leaning slightly towards one page; A lot of small pages tend to be harder to navigate). Pick your poison. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:33, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:I was almost thinking we should include all pages to one, like [[skill]]s and [[skill tree]]s really are very closely related. either that, or a lot more interlinking and some sort of navigation. That page would be pretty long though...
:If we just try to summarize the quotes a bit (since wikipedia and other wikis don't really quote much anyway), it would make the article a lot shorter... What are your thoughts? As it is now, it's definitely a little bit too confusing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:32, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

::Just dumping the info on both pages together would make a huge article, yes, but it would have a ton of redundancy too. The page won't be all that long once you remove all the duplicate information (that's another pro of having 1 page over several: Less repeated info :) ). Then again, when is a page long, and when is it not?
::We could make one page in the userspace or wherever to see how long it'd be after removing all redundancy. It would also be a better page for format testing than the page the site's visitors read ;)
::In the end I'm for one page and redirects to that page (and headers on that page if they work). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:58, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::Oki, I agree. You think you got tome to do it? My next major DW push will be skills again. --17:14, 10 August 2009 Leord

::::I have a lot of Tomes to do stuff ;) Will get to skill pages tomorrow. by the way.
::::[[User:Vipermagi/Skill]] and [[User:Vipermagi/Skill2]]. The first is done (unless there's information missing currently?), the latter is not (yet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:15, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Looks very good. We will implement it a bit later then. :) One thing I didn't understand: What's left to do? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

I have deleted [[skill tree]] and made all info on it available on [[Skill]] instead. It makes more sense, who would look at "skill tree" for that info anyway? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 19:03, 16 September 2009 (CEST)

==Skill table==
[[Power of the Battlemaster]] now just has a bulleted list of it's effect. The header is misleading though, as it promised a table. Ideas? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 11 August 2009 (CEST)

:Yes, that's true. The idea is to have a table there in the future, and a bullet point list is what we do before we have proper info. I'd say we keep the name atm. Just so it fits when it's all "upgraded" properly.

:On a sidenote, don't write <void> on Description. Just write what is known. Look at the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] article, and use that as inspiration. You can always write something. Also, a little blurb at the top of the page is good as well. Just take the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] one, and replace class, skills, and then add a few words at the end of it :) This will also make sure to put the infobox underneath the ad.

:You can also add "(presumed)" for rank 4 and 5 of the skill, like I did with many of the arcane skills. If you have 3 ranks info, then you can probably figure out the other ranks stats. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

==Im back, baby!==

Hey leord, im back... was absent because there werent any juicy news about diablo 3, so i went away... im like a bear, i do my thing during specific times... Anyway i have a few suggestions, then im off to editing some articles and adding new ones...http://www.diablowiki.net/skins/common/images/button_sig.png

A: This wiki needs an IRC channel, hosted on quakenet, if possible, it would be much easier for editors/people to go to the channel, and ask questions there... like how to edit articles, or to report any mistakes that we might have made... please say yes

B: There is no B...

C: No C too...

-- 12:53, 20 August 2009 DxAxxxTyriel

: Hey man, nice to see you! :) At the moment, we don't have a IRC channel, but some sort of chat will come up later on. At the moment, I am mostly in the #StarcraftWire channel on Quakenet! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:54, 20 August 2009 (CEST)

==Monk==
Hey dude, you mind if i do the Monk Class? i saw the Diablo 3 panel and WoW:C panels on Ustream, from a guy who was streaming the Pay-per-view thing.... can i? i have many pictures. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 00:53, 22 August 2009 (CEST)

:Dude! Bloody good job on the Monk! And never ask permission to do anything in the wiki ;) You are always free to do anything (except mupping up content, ofc)! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:19, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

:Thx mate. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 15:56, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

== Meli back.... ==

Hi Leord,

I am back to do updates to both Wizard and Monk, from the large news posts on diii.net which detail the full skill trees. Alot to throw out and alot to add. I will leave all the skill pages that are becoming obsolete for the moment just as they. Might be reuseable when they change skill setup again. Otherwise i am updateing all the related pages and also navigation boxes where needed.

Been fiddling with Witch doctor and Wizard already. Will take 1-2 evenings to get it all done though.

regards, meli --[[User:Melianor|Melianor]] 13:57, 31 August 2009 (CEST)

:Hello Melianor, great to see you! (and the great updates!)

:Yes, we'll keep/make skills of the old skills, but put them in an archive of some sort later on, so don't set any of them for deletion! :) I will join you in editing in a few minutes ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:34, 1 September 2009 (CEST)

== FAQ ==
[[FAQ]] changed ever so slighty. You can reach it's old contents [http://www.diablowiki.net/FAQ&action=edit here]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:25, 3 September 2009 (CEST)

:Weird. I know the /FAQ is some special page in the wiki, not a regular article... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:45, 4 September 2009 (CEST)

:[[Diablo III FAQ]]: this is the actual FAQ. the [[FAQ]] article is some sort of special Wiki thing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:15, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::I know; that's why I linked you to the &edit page, so you could access the old information. I didn't know wether you might wanted to transplant it :> The DIII Faq has the same information, though, so I suppose you don't need it anymore. [[FAQ]] is also unlinked beyond this page, so all is well. Redirecting it didn't work, sadly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:33, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::Yeh, no I think I tried fiddling with it last year, and gave up, adding a new FAQ with another name :) If you find out how to make use of [[FAQ]], don't be shy :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:13, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::::I can tell you no other wiki I visit uses the FAQ page at all (page never created), and none of those have the odd plain text. Since I can't: Maybe try a delete? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:41, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::::It will likely just delete the article I made. The thing is, the site obviously redirects the [[FAQ]] url to some other place than the actual article. I have no idea why. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 20:08, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

== Some Problem... ==
A fan class has been popping up in all the class pages. I removed the links, and think it's just a mistake on the author's path. Maybe some editing is the Class Template page.Please check it out.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 05:47, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

: After LOTS of problems, I fixed it all. I left messages a little bit of everywhere to explain it :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

== New Fanmade Content ==

Hello everyone! 
I am a self-taught artist. I just signed in Diablo Wiki and I still don't know how to operate here. I was invited here by Targetgamer. I have many ideas about Diablo 3 and I have posted them in the Battle.net forums. Targretgamer read them and invited me here. As soon i get used to the tools here I will post my ideas on this site. In the meantime you can see my ideas in the battle.net forums. I have ideas in both Suggestions and Diablo 3 forums. Some people there think that I am a spammer, because my post are too long. I hope that people here will be more patient and read more of my ideas. 
Here are some links 

A proposal for a new duel system in Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18031101457&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior - New class proposition:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550662&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior /Shinobi/ skills:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18313393127&sid=3000

New Monster Propositions with Concept Art for Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=20133925237&sid=3000

Read some of my ideas and maybe post your opinion in the forum.

Hello, its Veskin7 Bukito again. 
I forgot to add the last post. 
View my idea for a new continent meant to be added in Diablo 3 expansion 
Here is the link to the Diablo 3 forum:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550680&sid=3000

Enjoy!

-- Veskin7 Bukito 20:34, 29 September 2009

: OH, awesome! I am actually Targetgamer on Battle.net. It's my old Starcraft nickname, but I go by Leord on most other places.

: First off, general ideas and stuff is hard to add to the wiki, unless they have a popular support. However, stuff like monsters, we can make a page for, that looks like an official monster, but is more like a fan idea. I did this with [[fan class]]es, which has turned out marvellous. So basically, we could make a [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior. Just go to [[Fan class:Dragon Warrior]], where I pasted a standardised text you can help me fill out.

: You have basically everything ready to go, so it will mostly be copy+pasting. The standard text uses Wizard mostly, so you need to replace any Wizard skill names etc with Dragon Warrior skills. Now, if you have any self-made concept art, check out the help page called [[Help:Image]], and add them to the wiki.

: The background of the class needs more breaks, so it's not just one block of text. You need more air in it. Also, since [[Lut Gholein]] etc are real places, and [[Abd al-Hazir]] really exist in the gameworld, you can easily link to them in the wiki! Just check [[Help:Markup]] for how to make links!

: If you need help, myself and others are around. Just post a comment on my talk page, most people follow that. My idea is that when you made a proper [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior, we'll move on to the monsters, and we'll create a system to make fan monsters as well. That way you get a dedicated page with a good design on the biggest Diablo info database, and you can easily link it on Battle.net forums, or other Diablo fan forums.

: It's good if you fiddle around a bit before we start making a new type of page though :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:23, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:: Also! I just thought about that wonderful map you made. I doubt enough other people will make additional world maps to be an actual new section of the wiki, but what you can do is heading over to [http://www.diii.net/ Diii.net], which is the biggest Diablo fansite, and posting it in their [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=503 fan art gallery] and in the forum. I know Bashiok has said he visits the page. Same with the duel system suggestion. You will likely get much better discussion than on Battle.net, where there is a lot of trolls. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:30, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:::'''Thank you!'''
:::Thank you, Leord! I am really happy that you appreciate my effords.
:::My goal is to make Blizzard create the things I've invented or at least get their attention.
:::I will we very grateful if you help me with this.
:::I will be able to edit the Dragon Warrior, but this will happen after some days. I actually am a fan without PC - I have played Blizzard games in internet clubs and I post my stuff from a friend's computer, but I can visit him per two days for just 3 hours a day. That's why I will ask you to edit the page if you don't want to wait for me. You can contact me on my E-mail /listed on my profile/ to receive further information about the Dragon Warrior skills and different skill tree names which I heve not invented yet.
:::I'll be in touch. -- 20:29, 30 September 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

::::Cool man :)

::::I am unfortunately busy doing other things at the wiki, but I did start up the [[Fan class]] program here together with [[Holyknight3000]]. I can help you with technical stuff, but the actual content you need to add yourself. How come you don't have internet? o.O

::::Nice to see you around anyway, and just leave a message here if you have any questions or concerns. If you finish off the Dragon Warrior, I'll make sure to create a nice template for how to make monster after! :)

::::Also, don;t forget to sign your posts. If you are unsure how, check out [[Help:Talk]]. ;)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:43, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::I removed some of your links. Check the [[Talk:Fan class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior talk page]]. Also, I think you should upload the images. Check [[Help:Image]]s for help, or ask me :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

== Diablo3wiki.org ==
Actually I didn't start a new wiki. It was already there. And I already have contributed on that wiki alot. I kinda tried to ressurect it from the dead, but I think that the wiki is a lost cause.
I'll gladly contribute to this wiki. And if you need the help to manage this wiki, you can count me in. I do have some wiki experience(most of it is style related).

:I guess I'll just ask if they can delete/merge diablo3wiki.org --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:20, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

::Awesome! :) I am so happy! We're not that many wiki enthusiasts that also like Diablo, so it seems silly to split the effort. Also, the DiabloWiki.net has roots back to 1998, with old Diabloii.net's info pages. A lot here is on Diablo2.Diablowiki.net, and info has been around for a decade.

::Lots of it needs a facelift though, and lots of D3 info that needs adding :)

::I'd say you should try to get www.diablo3wiki.org changed to redirect to DiabloWiki.net, and then just leave the Diablo 3 wiki on wikia. If anyone else finds it there and start edits, perhaps we can add them to the greater project here as well, like Vipermagi and you!

::I'll start looking through all pages on Diablo3.wikia and try to get anything I can, besides images. Perhaps you can do a second trip to make sure we're not missing out on anything good? Next job here in DiabloWiki will be to update all [[monster]] pages to make sure they all use the [[Boilerplate:Monster|boilerplate]], and also add monsters we have concept art of, but no names. Best to have them in here, and we can just rename them and add some info if Blizz release lore material for it. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:44, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Do you work with Stub categories here? Or is it just search and rescue? If it is the last one I can upload stub templates. It's a bit easier because all still to be edited pages will all be put in one category --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:27, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::There is just one Stub type category here at the moment. If you would like to help out making the art of stubbing more advanced, that sounds like a lovely idea. Make sure to explain any new stuff you make on the [[Help:Stub]] page as well. Easier to tell people what is new with that.

::::I have been meaning to do a stub facelift for ages, but I've not had the chance. Also, Templates in general need to be better categorised etc. You can see my work at structuring the wiki on [[Help:Structure]]. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:31, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::By the way, I looked through the wiki, and added a little info on the [[Deckard Cain]] article, and some other minor things. Good to know we got it covered. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:23, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

==Gameplan==
Uhm maybe it's a smart Idea to copy some templates from wikia. Or at least look if we can use some, or just look for Ideas?? :P --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 17:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:Yeah, sure, for ideas if nothing else. I'd rather look at Wikipedia for guidance, though... My main point here was more the categorisation etc. But feel free to do it however you want.

:As for templates, they are currently working pretty good, we just need to increase more navboxes, and my point was if we should categorise the templates, not so much taking anything from Wikia. :) What do you think? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:25, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::Well catogorizing them should be no problem. Since collecting+updating our wikicontent wouldn't be much of a problem. I'd like to look for new styles. Because the first think I see when I go to main page (it might be just me) is a big mess. Only when I take a better look I find info. So we need to do something about that. If you like I can try making a entire new Mainpage (or entire new skin). Not that this skin is bad, it's good.. in fact it is very good. But it still can be perfected. And I'd like to start helping this wiki by making it easy to read/easy to find/easy to see info. Tell me what you think of it/what your gameplan is. I'd probably tag in on ya --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 18:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Remaking it completely seems like a very big job for something that isn't sure to have a great effect. I know we currently lack good navigation as it is. What would you primarily like to change on the front page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:18, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::For starters? Less links. and maybe lose the how to help and/or the did you know part? That makes it a lot easier to read --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 19:59, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Personally don't mind the HtH/DYK? sections. I do agree on the links-to-text ratio. It's a big brick of links currently. Changing the skill tree lists to a small line or note like the following could work:
<pre>For information on [[character]] [[skills]], check out the following pages:
*[[Barbarian Skills]]
*[[Monk Skills]]
*etc.</pre>
:::::I'd be more inclined to read text than links myself.
:::::On the other hand, I never use the main page (RC is my navigation tool), so I might not be the one to ask for help on organisation ^^" Meh, you guys decide what you want and I'll be fine with it regardless (unless you make it pink or blue). Just spouting ideas around randomly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:08, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::::What about
{|Border=1;width=33%;
|Character classes
|-
|
*[[Barbarian]] ([[Barbarian_skills|skills]])
*[[Monk]] ([[Monk_skills|skills]])
*[[Wizard]] ([[Wizard_skills|skills]])
*[[Witch Doctor]] ([[Witch_Doctor_skills|skills]])
*[[Archivist]] ([[Archivist_skills|skills]])
*[[Other classes|Unanounced Classes]]
|}

Simplicity is the best. And don't forget: The Mainpage is your trademark... If it's F-ed up they think the wiki is F-ed up.
::::::And for creating a new template we can also put that as a side project. When there is nothing to do... God bless boredom --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 20:34, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::There are several advantages with having it there. It's easy navigation if you go there etc. The question is how much it's used. I took the idea from some other big wiki ages past. The thing is, I just got access to the top menus, perhaps we should just put it in there, with dropdowns for stuff, and put something like "How to find info" in the links section, pointing people up to the menu? In the meanwhile, I am going to finish off the last Wizard skills now. You're all very welcome to help out, just check the [[Boilerplate:Skill]] --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::: There is a planned nav box for the left hand side which I was discussing with one of the other admins over the weekend. We were thinking of offering two skins. This one with some tweakage to volume of links and another with the main navigation being on the left, as is standard, both on the main page and within. This would allow us to take even more links off the body and leave that more for features. I agree the 'How to' could be trimmed right back, maybe even just to a small box with "How to help" and some essential links to orientate newcomers.

:::::::: I like the 'Did you know' feature. As long as it has slightly more obscure facts I think people like it. --[[User:Elly|Elly]] 17:54, 5 October 2009 (CEST) 

:::::::::I think a more organized main page would be nice. When you think about it, a lot of the page is everywhere. yes it is organized, but i think a more improved main page would be nice, and whatever template/style you guys choose i think will be fine.--[[User:Holyknight3000|holyknight3000]] 07:24, 6 October 2009 (CEST) 

::::::::::If anyone wants to make some test main pages that are improved that would be helpful -- [[User:Elly|Elly]] 23:35, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

===Plans Right Now===
What we'll do for right now then, I think, is making the new menu changes to the top of the wiki, and see what rush comes up with for the classic skin. When we have that done, we'll see what the front page could need in terms of change.

In the meanwhile, it could be cool to hear suggestion on how to change the "how to help" section, and also perhaps list a good menu structure for the top of the page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:37, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:I just realized I made some notes on that:
:''We need a "Help Out" tab, with links to wanted pages etc, and also to help. Perhaps rename/remove Quick Links.''
:--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:40, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

== Some suggestiond and one idea ==

Hey Leord, how are you?
First I'm going to answer your question on why I have no computer and Internet - the answer is simple - poverty. I am a poor student that gets a scholarship of 60 euro per month. My parents have retired and get some pensions of 150 euro per month each. The money is just not enough to buy a PC. But we don't give up. My brother and I will econcmize money an after six months maybe we'll buy one computer. Until then I'm just gonna sit in Internet clubs.

I have a suggestion about the picture upload. Can you do this?: When you type <add picture> a dialog box appears and allows you to browse your computer and upload the file in the <add picture> location. Is it possible to be programmed? I am pretty sure that it is.

And the idea:

I wandered what to do so the efforts of the fans with the fan classes not to go in vain. And here is what I invented:
Why don't we offer Blizzard to make an entirely new Diablo game called Diablo 3 Fan Edition? It will contain classes and monsters made by fans and there will also be an entirely new continent /Angarock/ for the story of the game, made by fans /me/. The contributing fans may do the beta testing and stuff.

What do you think?

--16:25, 6 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

:Ah, sorry to hear about that, Veskin7 Bukito, and I hope it works out for you and your brother :)

:Yes, it's easy enough to upload images, but you do it slightly different. Check out [[Help:Image]]s. I have written the article to help people adding images. What you do then is almost exactly what you said. :)

:Fan classes, fan art, fan fiction and all things created by fans will never be done in vain. It's an integral part of the community, and it's the kind of stuff Blizzard takes inspiration from when they create thing in the game. We can definitely ask them to make these classes in some special edition, but the primary reason we put them here is to tantalize and be fun for the community. The development time to even make ONE of these fan classes to a real hero is pretty big, and they would not do it unless they felt enough thousands of people would buy in to it.

:They generally don't take entire ideas by people for their content, but are ''inspired''. However, if the fan classes by fans are added here, they will be left on the internet permanently, and perhaps inspiring Blizzard in upcoming expansions or perhaps Diablo 4 some time in 10 years. :) The whole reason I started encouraging fans to add their work here is so that it should not have been done in vain. It will always be here, available for fans and Blizzard alike.

:Never think all your work is in vain! You have shown that you have an open and active imagination, and is capable of writing. Perhaps your ideas will inspire Blizzard, perhaps not, but it's not that important, because you can create more!

:Perhaps you should consider trying to write fan fiction based on [[Sanctuary]], and the official world, or some short story about one of the countries in your Angarock continent? Either way, I think you should concentrate on making it as nice and detailed as possible, and available on DiabloWiki, so you can link it to people in the community or perhaps to friends on MSN etc. :) Give it a proper home, and make sure it's very nice and polished. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:41, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:Re, image idea: It ''may'' possible, but it takes a lot of time to make it work without bugging up, and we'd need to find someone extremely skilled and willing. We're better off directing people to [[special:upload]]/[[help:Image]]. An image needs it's own page, so the script will have to:
:* Recognise the <add image> 'tag'
:* Pop up a window that only looks for .jpegs/etc. by default
:* Pop a window that asks for the page name*
:* Check if the name isn't taken**
:* Upload the image under the chosen name
:** Possibly add proper tags/categories
:* Replace <add picture> with the proper link.
: *= If everyone uploads images without a descriptive name, it's hard to discern one from another. This also causes naming conflicts; When an image is uploaded to a name that is already used, it will override/remove the old image. This can be reverted, but it's a hassle.
: **=An image database is usually not fully up to date. The wiki software is hardcoded to flush the lists (i.e. update) once a day. Since the list is most likely not up to date, it's possible the script doesn't notice an image name is taken, and thus uploads the image over the old image.
:Additionally, the script will slow down page loading somewhat, which is more often than not unnecessary. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:01, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

::Aha, now I understand :) Now we're not going to add such a script. Perhaps later, when other critical; things are fixed. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:24, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Writing such a script shouldn't be such a problem. But Viper is right what we need are a few people that script for this wiki. We have enough people to add the content (for the moment). I don't know if any1 here has acces to the scripts? But the person that you want to add those scripts should have it. And also Leord, if u want me to redesign some of the wiki parts (like the mainpage) maybe you should give me some rights as well?
:::The scripting: I think we should wait a bit with that. Untill we have the correct style and everything
:::P.S; the reason I don't react that often/update content atm is because I am a bit busy with school.. Will change in a couple of days --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:52, 7 October 2009 (CEST)
::::edit: I'd also like to see a few functions on this wiki but like Leord said we first need to do the primary things and then think about the secondary things --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:55, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Awesome. As for the script specifically, I just can't see the need for it, and creating a new possible way for hackers to try and gain access to the site (yes, we're often under attack) isn't a positive either. Not saying anyone here would fail at the scripting, just saying the more ways there are to upload stuff or do ANYTHING on the server, the more possible security holes appear.

:::::Good to know we'll see more of you soon, fighter :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:41, 8 October 2009 (CEST)

== Let's do it! ==

Hey, Leord!
The page of the Dragon Warrior is almost complete. I only have to add some skills and the pictures.

BTW can we proceed with creating Fan Monsters page?

And one more question: Do I create a new topic in the Battle.net forums called "Diablo 3 Fan Edition" and describe the idea and add links? I suggest there should be a vote for different classes, so Blizzard pick and create the best, and also a vote for creating Angarock. When I have more time, I will describe the idea thoroughly. -- 20:19, 11 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

: Hello!
: First off, you need to sign your talk page posts. Check out [[Help:Talk]] on how to do that :)
: Secondly, I want you to understand that you will likely not get a great strong reaction from asking people about this, other than admiration from doing a great job. Most likely, Blizzard will not create new classes or continents 100% based on fan input. Among reasons include the legal one: If they would take your world, they would have to pay you copyright money. So. Instead, they will *possibly* take some inspiration from you, and other fan artists, and make their own stuff.
: So, I really like the Fan Monster idea, and I'll get on it later today probably, but it will be hard to get Blizzard to use material created by fans.
: Having said that, it would be really cool with a fan class contest! Like, people make Fan Classes on DW.net, and we decide a winner. Then, hopefully, Blizzard takes note of it, and perhaps incorporate some of those ideas in the game later on! However, it would be cool with some sort of prize then... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:52, 12 October 2009 (CEST)

== The Aurian Mage project ==
Hello, Leord. 
I have been working on a new Fan class called Aurian Mage. I invented more than 30 skills for one night and the class is almost ready. 
Can you please create a sample fan class page called Fan Class:Aurian Mage and add link to the fan classs category, just like you did with the Dragon Warrior?

Thank you.

Veskin7 Bukito 15 October 2009

:Awesome! Oki, I created the [[Fan class:Aurian Mage|Aurian Mage]], and it's ready to go. Just remember to make a sub-page for any links you create, like on the [[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior]]. Meaning a <nowiki>[[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior/Skill Tree 1]]</nowiki> for example. :) Mind you, I have added it to the Fan class category, but it's not visible in the navigation box until you're done. I'll make it visible as soon as you added your info :)

:Also, you can easily make name + time stamp on any talk page posts you make by adding "<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>" at the end. When you press submit, the site recognises that string and replaces it with name + time + date :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:58, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

::Another thing. When you're done, don't forget to make a post on Battle.net about it. I'll help you bump the thread there if you give me the url ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:59, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==New Page==
Can you please create a new page solely for linking to official trailers? I'm not sure how to do this. What I do is to create a link to that page, it shows up red and I edit it.:)--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

P.S. I'm working on Dead end pages and Orphaned pages.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

:Oh! Awesome! That is sweeeheet! Check out [[Help:New_article]] that I wrote :) Basically, you'll probably feel silly for not thinking of it yourself ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:03, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==Copy from D2 Wiki?==
I noticed that DW doesn't have some basic pages like [[Andariel]], but these are there in D2wiki. Can I just copy the revelant info or should I stick solely to the info released by Blizzard?--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:32, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

:Stick to info released by blizzard. Things may have changed. Also most of the info on this week needs to be confirmed so u can't copy/paste from D2W --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:51, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::Hmm, don't know. I'd say they would keep information/Lore canon; she won't suddenly be a male horned demon :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:13, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::You can use any source anywhere, as long as any speculation is clearly stated as speculation. Sources from D2W are pretty reliable, so go ahead. Do link the source in the references section though! Also, if something is debated to be true or not, make sure to point that out as well.

::In general, D2W is free to just copy. What you can do in addition to that is to check out what pages link to a certain D2W page, and change the link to a D3W page, or link to D3W for the lore. Just use [[Template:Iw]] (<nowiki>{{iw|Article_name Article name}}</nowiki> - will look like this: {{iw|Andariel Andariel}}. Since we'll keep the D3W more up to date on lore etc.

::Also, don't forget to link back to the D2W page for stats etc --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:14, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

::@Vipermagi: Blizzard has a habbit changing some parts of the lore so it would be easier for them to create "New" Things. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:47, 20 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Yes, that's why I made the [[retcon]] article ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:18, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

==Destruction of information==
You seem to have made your previous talk page disappear entirely (as in, not even an archive). Was this your intention? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:50, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

:With the new German wiki incoming, I accidentally deleted pages as I thought the wikis had been separated (try http://de.diablowiki.net/ which works, but is the same database as www). Restored it now, but lost history I think... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:05, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

::History is still there :> I initially thought you archived by deletion, to be honest. All's well and good again, anyhow :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:58, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

== About Fan Monsters ==

Hey, Leord, I have two questions about Fan Monsters:

1/ Is it possible to accept my form of monster description /the one shown in the battle.net forum/?

Here it is:

CLASS -Specify monster class - often met, rarely met, weak, tough, very tough, miniboss, boss or whatever else class you wish.

APPEARANCE - Describe how the monster looks - colours and other specific things.

SIZE - Specify the size of the monster - height/lenght and other specific things.

DESCRIPTION, BEHAVIOUR AND SKILLS - Describe the monster's behaviour, where is it met and its skills one by one.

SOUNDS - describe what sounds does your creature make.

DEATH - describe how exactly does your monster die.

ITEMS DROPPED - describe what kind of items does your monster drop when killed.

EXPERIENCE - say how much experience does your monster give when killed - few, medium, lots or whatever else you say.

2/ I think there is a mistake in your example when you tell us how to create a new fan monster in the [[Fan monster]]s category. You said that we should just type the name of the monster like http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_class:Banana_Hammock . Maybe it should be

http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_monster:Banana_Hammock ?

I just wandered if you made a mistake... Am I right?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 01:06, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

::Heya!

::'''First off:''' The idea was to make the monster articles look similar to the REAL monster articles. Like for the [[skeleton]] etc. You can make the fan monster any way you want, but I would recommend just copying [[Boilerplate:Monster/copy]], and using that as a template. If you need instructions on how to use it, check out [[Boilerplate:Monster]].

::Most of the headlines you mentioned, you can put as sub-headlines to the '''"Diablo II Monster"''' headline.

::'''Secondly:''' Yes, that was a typo, I corrected it :)

::-- 11:09, 26 October 2009 [[Leord]]

== Fan Monsters Got Started ==
Hey, Leord, I just uploaded the first fan monster. Check out the [[Fan monster:Death Claw]]. Now you can update the Fan monster category by making a category box like the fan class category. I also found a solution about my form of monster description - I added the Death Claw Detailed Description in which I describe the monster my way. See if you can edit something in the Death Claw page...

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:29, 28 October 2009 (CET)

:Hehe, it's actually the SECOND monster. You were beaten by the [[Fan monster:Brutal Beast|Brutal Beast]] by a few days ;)

:Anyway, I have added your article to the navigation, and I cleaned it up a bit, removing sections, and hiding some. Remember to use the "copy" version instead of the main boilerplate. The copy version has everything ready to go, and sections not often used are hidden.

:Other than that, looking mighty fine! :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:09, 29 October 2009 (CET)

==New Search==
Nice shiny new search bar! I like it! Works loads better. I left a message for you on my talk page.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 23:56, 2 November 2009 (CET)

== Finally!!! ==
I have some spare time now.. So... Do you have any technical problems/issues/whatever you want fixed or technical things created? Want me to start making a new layout for the frontpage? Want me to create new templates etc. etc. Give me some orders and I'll check if possible then get it done if possible ;). I'll check your page tomorrow again. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:52, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:Why start later?
:Using: [[Template:The_Key_header]] as an example. Wouldn't it be smarter to catogorize it in [[Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header]] so it would show up as Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header in RC that would make it clear about who is deleting/editing what.
::P.S: This site's lay out is <s>f*cked</s> --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:01, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:::If you put the template in (Main:)Fanmade/, you would need to use <nowiki>{{Fanmade/Template:The_Key_Header}}</nowiki> to insert it on pages. That's obscure and weird if you ask me :P It's also moved out of the Template: namespace that way. Doesn't matter too much, but usually when looking for templates used in actual articles, you look in the Template: [[Special:Prefixindex|prefix-index]], rather than that of non-existant articles ([[Fanmade]] does not exist (yet)). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:57, 9 November 2009 (CET)

:::Awesome! Nice to see you having more spare time. :) The [[Main Page]] is of course a quite sensitive topic, as it's just about the most important page on the wiki. If you have design ideas, just whip up a really simple sketch in paint or the like, and upload it for us all to see. What I'm saying it it's needs to be an open debate, so don;t spend too much time on any one idea before talking to the rest of us for input. :)

:::As Vipermagi points out, it would break the regular prefixes to use slashes in the name for templates. I know the categorisation of templates could use some work, but we're probably not going to change things too much. Also, we're likely not adding Fanmade or other prefix at the moment.

:::I'd very much appreciate if you were a little bit more specific with feedback if there is something (like the layout) that is to your disliking. Is there something actually bugged, or is it a general layout choice you dislike?

:::There's plenty of other things you can do that doesn't require input from the rest of us though! There are several monsters in the [http://www.diii.net/gallery Diii.net's gallery] that don't have their own monster pages for instance. Many of the current monsters and skills need pictures. We need to add more lore entries from the [[Diablo I Manual]], [[Diablo II Manual]], [[Diablo II: Lord of Destruction Manual]] etc. The [[Timeline]] can be filled out with mroe entries from current lore. We have [[:Category:Factions|factions]], and [[:Category:Ethnic groups|ethnic groups]] etc, that really need to have a bit more clear category structure, and navbox etc.

:::I have just updated the menus of the wiki, so you can now find almost anything you want directly from the menu. Please help with feedback on whatever could be useful. Also, let's continue to discuss the new main page, but lets not lose focus on making the wiki's *content* the best on the net as well :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:14, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::::With layout I mean de links on the navigation boxes and stuff :P. Anyways I'll start with making a new lay out in paint. And I'll create a discussion topic for it. After that I'll check out the diablo II lore because I got the manuals here. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 10:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== D2 barb skills ==

I just finished doing images for the major barb skills ;) When you have some free time, check them out and tell me what you think!
--[[User:DoomBoy|Doomboy]] 5:15pm, November 8, 2009 (PST)

:Oh man, that is fantastic! I love it, the pages look so much more alive now! Is the Monk skills next? :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:37, 9 November 2009 (CET)

== Tomb Viper ==
Do you mind if I work on a wiki for the tomb viper? What kind of creature is it? Animal or Demon?
--[[User:Butch Audacity|Butch Audacity]] 10:44 PM, Nov 8, 2009

:No, go right ahead! :) Is that a real monster from the videos, or one you have invented? If it's a real monster, just class it as Demon, I think. There's no proper classification yet, so just go with what is most likely :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:55, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::The Tomb Vipers are from the Blizzcon 2009 Demo. I tried making a page for the Tomb Vipers and I wasn't allowed to. Any suggestions? -- 04:16, 10 November 2009 Butch Audacity

:::[[Tomb Vipers]]. I added it for you, but it's very easy to create [[Help:New_article|new articles]]. Also, it's great if you sign your posts on talk pages. I think you have in the past, so I might just be rude and point it out, but if you feel unsure, check out [[Help:Talk]]. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== New Fan Monsters Added ==

Hey, Leord, how are you doing?
I have added three more monsters to the fan monster category: [[Fan monster:Black Hand Mage|Black Hand Mage]], [[Fan monster:Dark Venom|Dark Venom]] and [[Fan monster:Desert Cyclops|Desert Cyclops]].

See if there is something to edit on them and you can add them to the fan monster navbox.

What are you doing these days? Let's chat.

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 22:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey! I completely forgot to reply to this. eithe myself or someone else added your monsters to the navbox in either way. I'm fine thanks, doing work on the wiki and whatnot :) Yourself? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Well I'm fine. Now I busy myself with some fan monsters and my newest project - a joke monster called Golden Pepper. This pepper is a special one - if you eat it, you will recieve a rare or unique item. Will add it as soon as I draw the picture.

::In the meantime I'm still waiting for Holyknight3000 to put colors to some of my pictures.

::And in the university I study in - The Ecology is fine. Now we are pretty close to exam session. Must study and write course projects.

::P.S.

::Yes it was me who added the new monsters to the navbox, now that I know how to do it, I will not bother you.
::I will soon contact you for creating some new articles - "Fan Items" and "Fan characters and NPCs". But still not ready for these. --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== .uuuhm ==
While Looking at the site (The navboxes in particular). I realised that this site could use some changes. So what I wanna do is the following:
*Create a new Front page (Naming it something like /NewMainpage (can be deleted after I'm done).
*Redesigning navboxes (naming the templates with things like /NpcNavbox2 and putting them on 1 page).
*Let people think and consider if they want the old designs or the new designs.

Tell me what you think and if you're okay with it I'll start with the proces. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, I forgot to reply to you too :)

:First off, always create test pages on your user page, like <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Main_Page]]</nowiki>. Good idea is also to link to it from your user page so you don't forget that it exists. :) Secondly, I'm not really looking to make a main page overhaul, unless you have something spectacular in mind. This is why I thought just doing a quick sketch in MS Paint or whatever to let me get an idea of where you were going was smart. Other than that, It's really only "Key Pages" that's planned to be changed now when most articles are presented in the top menus.

:Navboxes are really meant to be properly redesigned using both parsing and some simple java scripts, so we can use "tabs" and the like. I'm not sure spending time on a redesign in the interim is a project well spent time on. Same there though, if you have an idea that makes tabbing of navigation obsolete, I'd love to hear/see it. Make a <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Navbox]]</nowiki> page so we can see what you're thinking.

:What we REALLY need though is improving lore pages. Regardless of if you know much about Diablo lore or not, it's usually not somethign that is required. Just open one of the manuals, look at a section, make sure any relevant words are linked up, and that any of those links include the info of that section. almost always there's a lot to add, be it new characters, locations or the like. You can also check the [[http://www.diablowiki.net/Special:Wantedpages Wantedpages]], and add articles that way.

:A second thing we really need is images. Loads of pages, like [[Lut Gholein]] could use mroe descriptive imagery, and especially the [[skill]]s. All skills should have at least one image on them each.

:So, basically, show us your ideas before you start spending loads of time into coding a main page or a new navbox, and let everyone comment on it, then go. In the meanwhile, there's loads of other work needing to be done in the wiki that is just as important. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Sigh I'm having a little time out again since both my laptop and my desktop are broken (what are the odds of that??). --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 14:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Massive ouchness! :) Well, doodle a bit on a piece of paper on your planned designs, so you can do it quickly when you have access to a proper PC, or check out the manuals and look at the missing pages etc. Plan ahead ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== OMG ==

Hey, Leord, what is that long menu that stretches from the sky to the ground in the wiki site? It's quite uncomfortable. I wonder if someone has edited the site without permission. What is happening?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:Server issues, I presume. That huge list is actually the discrete navmenu you see at the top :P It's back to normal for me now.
:Additionally, I noticed this when it was a long list: [http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/Bakmachien/comw.jpg link]. Comw? Trying to navigate to that adress returns nothing, by the way (that could also be the problem: It couldn't find the server and thus exploded the style sheet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::Phew! It's back to normal to me too. Let's hope it doesn't happen again.
::BTW My English is not good enough. I want to ask you: what is the plural of "mage"? is it "magi" or "mages"? --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Either works (ex1: Mages of the Vizjerei clan, ex2: Skin of the Vipermagi). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 22:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Hey guys! Yes, I did not know they were moving the domains this weekend. I would really have wished to be there to help out, but it seems all is working now, anyway. That "comw", is that still occurring? obviously a typo if so...

::::Also; Feel free to use "Mages" or "Magi" as you see fit. "Magi" is really a more "traditional" name, like you would find in old scrolls, and "Mages" is a more commonly used name that the average farmer would use :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Having Fun? ==
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Unique to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Unique
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Uniques to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Uniques 
Creatively acquiring redirects, or what? :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hehe, making redirects without the redirect pages show up in the front page Wiki feed :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::Cleaned up [[special:doubleredirects]]; now it's filled with ''other'' redirects anyhow (which now work properly!) :D Sorry about that. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Cheers, very handy :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::You edit-conflicted me D: I was going to add "Random thought that popped up in my mind: Could the feed be filtered to only show non-minor edits? I've taped down my minor edit button since I don't make major edits often (more convenient to untick the box once every aeon to indicate a major edit than vice versa), so all but one of those edits would be filtered from the feed (it unticked for one edit, somehow). ", but I think I've changed my mind. Oh wait... ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Good point, I have no idea. I do the same thing. Sure, there's an error here or there then, when it IS a bigger edit, but something I can live with. It will be less errors this way. Is this a filter that's possible in a wiki? Otherwise it will be having to wait for a new page we were thinking of creating, listing wiki changes etc.

:::::BTW, we REALLY need to be able to use images without them linking to themselves all the time. Did you know how to fix that? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Well, in RC you can filter out Minor edits with a toggle (add &hideminor=1, or click the button in RC Options, second row). I have no idea how the feed works exactly, though, so I don't know what would and wouldn't work.
::::::As for the images: Do you mean that the images are effectively hyperlinks to the image's page? I've seen a method to make the image link to the current page, but it's irreliable (it doesn't like namespaces much...); I'll ask around to see if there's a simple method that doesn't mess up. Do you want a brute image link disable (i.e. images simple never link), or a case-by-case application? I don't know if the former is possible, but who knows. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Case-by-case was a rather obvious one: [[image:wiki.png|link=|30px]]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::: Testing [[image:wiki.png|link=http://www.diablowiki.net/|30px]]. That's an amazing find! Must have been implemented in the latest upgrade Paul did. I remember trying it out before and it not working. That is bloody awesome! It was exactly what I needed! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

==Bye!==
Leord, thanks for making me feel so welcome during my time here. Due to an unfortunate encounter with Thyiad in the SPF, I won't be returning. Good luck with the wiki. -- 20:20, 29 November 2009 JMJimmy
: Single Player Forum I suppose? From which site? I kind of assume you mean Diii.net, but why? Thyiad is not here on DW, and if you look at the main menu (perhaps you need Ctrl+F5), we've even removed that connection to Diii.net. We're linking all sites that help the wiki on the front page, which Diii.net is included, but we're our own wiki.

: You have been a great help here, and it seems very silly to leave the budding DW community for something happening on another site... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== *cough* ==
[[User_talk:Vipermagi#Java_etc|Severe cold]], sorry *cough* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

==Problem uploading image==
Hey Leord, I recently edited the Legacy of blood page and wanted to upload and image of the book cover however i encountered a problem. I either get: The file has no extension (like ".jpg"). or that i uploaded an empty file. But the file does have an extension (tried .jpg .png and .gif) and there is a file, I've tried several diffrent versions also (various sources including my own copy).Any ideas? --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 15:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:Does the path in the Source field have an extension, and does the Filename have the same extension? Additionally, when you receive an error and use the Back button in your browser, it's best to refresh the page to avoid problems. The wiki software doesn't quite like cached results ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for the reply, Viper! If I was you, Zukker, I'd put in the code in the page first, save it, and then click the red link of the image to upload it. That way it's usually right. Just remember to have the file ending the SAME both for the actual file and in the code, like Viper said. Awesome job so far! :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Ah viper i'll try that. Leord thats exactly what i did and i ran into problems. Alright that didn't work either, the extension is the same and the filename is the same...i'm pondering why this won't work :( --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 18:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Hmm... I just uploaded [[:File:Four pixels of awesome.jpg|this]] image. What extension does the image have? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::It's worked before that's the weird thing. The file is a normal .jpg, but tried both .gif and .png --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 19:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::EDIT: Now it seemed to work...when i manually went to the upload page...awell

::::::Still very weird. Can you send it to my e-mail? Leord at incgamers dot com, and I'll do the same, just to see of there's a difference. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::::On a related note, check out my next topic below this one. I have uploaded a pic, and it works fine, but it refuses to work in the Gallery scripts. WTH?! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:39, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

==Why Doesn't This Work?!==
<gallery>
File:Tyrael portrait.jpg|test
</gallery>
When I re-uploaded it even displayed in a box just like the gallery boxes. I have no clue why it doesn't work! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

:Typo in the image name; Tyreal over Tyrael. Fixed :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:50, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Could you thank me on my talk page? Or just edit it and add a space somewhere, doesn't really matter. Need to test something with the New Messages box :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Cheers (also, good luck with [[User_talk:Vipermagi#Java_etc|the implementation]] :D ) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:51, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, need to ask Rush how to actually put in the java stuff :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

== Finally! ==

Hey what's up people!
I finally got a PC and Internet!!!
Phew! Now I feel like I live in the 21th century. I felt like in the 13th century before i had a PC.

Now my contributions here will be updated faster. Although I will not work on my Diablo 3 projects soon because I have a new project now. It's about the Star Craft universe. I won't disclose more info on this now.

First I'll try to edit my drawings with some programs to make them colored.
Then if I have time I will do something about Fan Monsters.

Man I'm so happy. I still can't believe that I have connection. Yeah, baby!

See ya!

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 17:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

:Ooooh! That's cool. Are you doing fan stuff for the SC community. I happen to also be involved with http://www.starcraftwire.net/ btw :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 02:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

== Any ideas? ==
Hi Leord! Can you please suggest some articles/places which need editing? I need something to do. :P -- 02:26, 23 April 2010 TheWanderer

:I may not be Leord, but: [[Special:WantedPages|Eat your heart out]]. (sidenote: Not all pages can be created atm, due to lack of information) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:15, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

:: Vipermagi, that wanted pages list is what I was working on for the past year. :D To finish the rest, I need to read a few more of those Diablo books. :P Thanks for the reminder though, I'll work on a few redirects. --[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:00, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

::: Well, if you can help us update [[:Category:Characters|Characters]] with a little "[[:Template:Charbox|Charbox]]", like [[Deckard Cain]], that would be a great start. Also, many articles in the wanted list CAN be updated.

::: I know you do a lot of nice updates, but you often forget (perhaps are unsure on how) to properly put in navigation and categories. I suggest looking at other articles of the same type and see how they did it, and also check out [[Help:Structure]], to get an idea of the category overall structure.

::: Not everything there is set in stone, in fact most isn't. If you have good ideas for how to organise certain things, then don't hold back!

::: Another thing we need is really to summarise what we know of [[Act I]] and [[Act II]].

::: At the moment I'm primarily going to work on Diablo II, and do random updates here, so anything is helpful - as always! :)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:21, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Comming Back Soon ==
Hi everybody!

My exam session is about to end soon, so I won't be so busy. I will continue my work on my fan classes and monsters. There is lot to do.

By the way I wish to thank Leord once again for inviting me here. Thank you, man! This is my chance to show my work to the world and I deeply thank to all the people who appreciate my efforts.

All the best! See you soon!

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 11:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, you've done an awesome set of monster, classes etc. Really cool! :) And look at the bottom of the pages, there's THOUSANDS of people who have seen them so far! :D

:Also, I will shortly be updating the navigation box at the bottom a bit, so it's not s obig and bulky, and people can see links to your stuff much more easily. :)

:Good job and great to hear! :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

== Holy fishes ==
I peek back and find.. 1500 spam posts. I don't think blocking the individual accounts will help much; they seem to make an account per post. Semi-blocking account creation (putting the Page Creation right into a usergroup that's only granted to real users by hand) for a few days may or may not help; it would at least stop them from making more pages. I don't think you're going to be able to wait this one out. 
Also, are you going to delete the spam pages, or just leave them there? (just curious) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 10:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:Hey man! Indeed so. We've been spammed. Not 1500, more like a few hundred (280 or so). I have now manually banned them all, I hope no real users were banned in the process. Will start deleting pages now. Rushster was adamant to not have manual confirmation of users, so that's not happening, but he has installed Re-Captcha, and the second that went live, it seemed to stop, so good tidings. This could have gone on for a week if we were unlucky!

:I Don't think you have permissions to delete pages, but if you do, go ahead and help me delete them. :)

: PS, you like the new navboxes? :)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::WOW! I went to do my daily web surf and saw that stack of deleted pages and... just WOW! I'm speechless...
::--[[User:Belushi81x|belushi81x]] 15:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Lol, tell me about it! It's a full day's work just getting rid of the SHITsters. God, I am pissed off at the moment. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::::Yeah, 1500 was a... slight hyperbole :) Good to hear the spambot(s) has (have) been stopped.
::::I cannot delete pages. Way back then you couldn't find the user rights page, and then we derailed the topic I think. Oh well, doing fine without :P
::::Not sure which navboxes you are referring to. Haven't really looked at content pages lately because Blizzard hasn't really released anything (anxiously awaiting BlizzCon), so if you're referring to navboxes on content pages, I haven't seen them yet. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::Well, I [http://diablowiki.net/index.php?title=Special%3AUserRights&user=Vipermagi know how to do it] now, but that means you'd have Admin rights. I trust you, but I don't think we can make you admin, as you're not THAT much in to the whole thing, and we haven't spoken that much... I'll have to discuss with Flux & Elly :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::But you forgot how to link ;) You guys should be able to make another usergroup that only has Delete rights, or anything else really. As for my interest, I still check pretty much every non-fanmade-space edit that pours through the wiki. I'm no good at adding content, though (what, where, how? No idea), so I don't make many edits. With new content comes new typos however, and that's the gist of what I've fixed up around here ^^
::::::So how about those navboxes you mentioned?
::::::EDIT: Oh. The class navbox, I presume. That's pretty awesome. Personally find it a tidbit annoying that the size of it changes dynamically due to the tabbing and different sizes of those, but it's a minor issue at best. Now to hope the spell names don't go too long so the box doesn't stretch in width :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Personally, I don't mind much, but I can see your point. As for the skills, there's no other plausible way, and also, no point in spending loads of time on something that will change in October. I'd much rather re-visit it then. I don't think spell names will be a major deal tbh. Will just have to change the cell widths about a bit if that's the case. OR, if it's a long name, it's usually multiple words, not one long word, so it will break to two lines or the like.

:::::::As for edits, what about you perhaps help me with like making individual item pages for Uniques and Set items in the D2 wiki? It's a fairly straight-forward job, and mostly copy+pasting. Not likely you will make mistakes. ;) It's not great fun, but very very useful in the long run. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::What where and how? :p --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

==Uniques and Set Items==
Like [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Special:Contributions/Leord this], the Trang-Oul stuff etc. All those items. I have made some quite advanced templates for it, that will work for D3 later as well (hopefully).

:So I take, for example, [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Bul-Kathos%27_Children BK's two swords]. I put the two swords on the Set page in the new template (ex. [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/index.php?title=The_Disciple&diff=next&oldid=18946 here]), create two new pages (1 per sword), and put the sword data and background in a mold (ex. [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Telling_of_Beads here]).
:Did I get that right, miss anything? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Yes, awesome, it's amazing to ask someone to do something and they understand without massive explanations! :D However, if you do have questions on how some of the templates work, ask me. There might be info missing on the help sections. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:::I guess previous experience with content splitting helps a little ;) I'll drop you a line somewhere if I can't figure it out. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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2010-07-12T16:12:40Z

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Skill Runes

2010-07-10T08:53:33Z

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'''Runes''' in [[Diablo 3]] are small items that are socketed into '''active''' [[skill]]s, (not into [[item]]s as they were in Diablo 2). Diablo 3's skill runes grant special bonuses to the skill they are socketed into, improving the skill's function in various ways, such as adding damage or multiple hits, reducing cost, etc.

There are five types of runes, each representing a general type of bonus, the names of which have changed repeatedly during game development. The most recent information came from [[Bashiok]] in late May 2010, when he revealed the current rune names as Crimson, Indigo, Obsidian, Golden, Alabaster. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/new-skill-rune-names-revealed/]

Runes spawn at various levels of quality (5 or 6 levels), e.g., "Minor Alabaster Runestone."

==Every Rune Works in Every Skill==
[[Image:Rune-minor-hydra1.jpg|frame|The since-renamed Hydra Rune.]]
[[Jay Wilson]] has stressed that runes must add a useful function to multiple types of skills, since every type of rune will be socketable in every action skill. (As far as we know.) This leads to some odd and creative design decisions, since while it's obvious what most runes will do in most skills, there are some exceptions. Consider what a rune that adds multiple hits or damage does for a purely defensive/shielding skill? Or a movement skill like the Wizard's Teleport?

The [[D3 Team]] wants all the runes to be useful to all [[class]]es, so they did not add runes that just boosted one type of skill, or one character's skills. They have to find general function bonuses that worked across the board, which is why there are not fifty types of runes. Just five, though one of the five is basically a wild card rune that does odd and different things in different skills.

==Rune Types and Functions==

Jay Wilson briefly described the five types of runes during an interview from BlizzCon 2009. The following property descriptions are exact quotes from Jay, reformatted into bullet points for easier consumption: [http://pc.ign.com/articles/101/1017305p1.html]

"One tends to be more damage-oriented."
* This rune was first called Power, then changed to Force Rune. Its "color" name isn't yet known. (Crimson?)

"One tends to multiply effects, splits projectiles or bigger radiuses, things like that."
* This is the Indigo Rune, first known as Multistrike, then Hydra.

"One tends to be a very energy-efficient rune, so you cut down cost or in some way increases the benefit of the skill, so you get more for less."
* This is the Energy Rune. It's "color" name isn't yet known.

"One tends to be more focused on death effects, critical effects."
* This Rune was originally called Lethality, then Viper. Its "color" name isn't yet known. (Obsidian?)

"And one of them we call just... the weird rune, which is our grab bag for anything unusual we want to stick on."
* The wild card rune was originally called Striking. Its "color" name isn't yet known.

These five types of function have remained unchanged since Runes were first revealed as a Diablo 3 feature, although their names have changed repeatedly.

==Rune Names==
There are five types of runes in Diablo 3. Their names have changed during development, though when he named them in (May 2010), Bashiok said these were fairly set for the final game: [[Crimson Rune|Crimson]], [[Indigo Rune|Indigo]], [[Obsidian Rune|Obsidian]], [[Golden Rune|Golden]], [[Alabaster Rune|Alabaster]]. These names are all adjectives for colors (red, blue, black, gold, white), but it's not known if the rune names will appear in those colors in the game.

The five known rune names, prior to the color-themed name change:

* [[Energy Rune]]
* [[Viper Rune]] (named Lethality before)
* [[Hydra Rune]], which was previously called the "Multistrike" rune, and is now the [[Indigo Rune]].
* [[Force Rune]] (named Power before)
* [[Striking Rune]]

Only the Multistrike > Hydra > Indigo rune name progression is confirmed as of June 2010. It's unknown which of the others are now called Golden, Alabaster, Obsidian, or Crimson. Their properties are unchanged; just their titles.

===Rune Name Evolution===
Blizzard's Diablo 3 community manager shed some light on the reason for the latest rune name change in May 2010: [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/skill-runes-continue-to-evolve/]

::[[Bashiok]]: The runes have really just been renamed to allow us greater flexibility in what they do so we’re not creating a weird detachment from what they’re called and the effect they provide. For example what was the multi-strike rune going to do for ... say, [[Slow Time]]? And does that match what the name implies, or what you would assume? Probably not.

A few days later, he elaborated on this issue:

::'''Bashiok:''' ...the purpose of renaming them was... to remove a strict theme. I’m not aware of any rune effects we’ve shown being removed, I think all those still exist just the way they were shown. Just instead of multi-strike/hydra, it’s called Indigo, and while for a lot of skills it still has a very multi-strike theme, it’s not a rule dictated by the name.

===Rune Quality Levels===
There are five types of runes. Each individual rune, of whatever type, can spawn at various quality levels; Jay Wilson said there would be five or six such levels. As of late 2008, "minor" was said to be the lowest quality, though the modifier names may have changed since that point. As with all items in the game, higher quality runes will be rarer, and only findable from higher level monsters. The functions of a given type of rune will not change as the quality increases; instead the bonuses will be increased.

The name format is fairly simple, as Bashiok described in May 2010. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/new-skill-rune-names-revealed/]

::I don’t think quality names have been decided for sure yet (?), but for example it would be something like “Minor Alabaster Runestone”.

For example: "[quality] [rune type] Runestone"

===Rune Tool Tips===
Hovering over a rune will show a description of what it does. Holding the rune while hovering on a skill will give more information, as Bashiok said in May 2010. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/new-skill-rune-names-revealed/]

::Pick up a rune and mousing it over a skill and the tooltip will tell you how it affects the skill. The UI does a good job of informing you how each rune interacts with each skill.

===Rune Crafting/Upgrading===

The D3 team has not yet revealed any information about item [[crafting]] in Diablo 3, other than to say that they won't have any {{iw|Horadric_Cube Horadric Cube-style}} converting items.

It's therefore not known if runes will be craftable, or upgradeable, but given the game's focus on items, it's certainly possible.

===Rune Storage===
At the [[BlizzCon 2008]] demo, runes were stored in an [[inventory]] grid on the skill tree menu; not in the normal inventory. There were 10 rune slots below the skill trees. It's not known if they will still be stored there in the final game, if there will be ways to increase the number of slots, or if they can be stored in the inventory instead.

===Rune Appearance===
[[Image:New_Rune_Socket.png|thumb|Rune Socket]]
As of BlizzCast episode 8 (30th of March, 2009) [http://www.diii.net/blog/comments/blizzcast-8-live-with-diablo-iii-goodies/] Runes and Rune Sockets changed from squares below a skill to horizontal rectangles, as seen in the image to the right.

==Rune Function Examples==
Skill Runes in [[Diablo III]] improve a character's active [[skill]]s in various creative ways. Runes can be used strategically; different runes in the same spell will do things, and there are multiple quality levels of the same rune type, scaling the increases up.

For example: the [[Wizard]] skill [[Blizzard]] would gain different benefits from different runes. A few hypothetical Blizzard bonuses: more falling projectiles, longer duration, more damage per projectile, longer chill time, better to/hit, better chance of critical hit, and so forth. Also, each of those types of bonuses would be increased in power by the quality of the rune used, allowing for a huge variety of potential bonuses and play styles.

When first announced, Blizzard said that runes could be removed from sockets at any time and without any penalty. It's not known if this is still the case. If so, players could theoretically juggle their runes for different situations, sticking in a multi-strike rune to deal with big mobs, changing to a power rune to up the single target damage before a boss battle, and so forth. It therefore seems likely that Blizzard will take steps to limit this sort of switching, perhaps forcing players to return to town before they can change the rune socketed in a spell, putting a cool down time on resocketing the same skill, limiting the number of times a particular rune can be socketed, or some other hindrances.

==Function Examples==
The [[D3 Team]] gave several examples of rune functions during a panel at [[BlizzCon 2008]] when Skill Runes were first revealed as a game feature. ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouYP1zGfd0s Watch the demonstration] on YouTube.) The rune names have all changed since this time, but the functions are said to still be nearly identical, hence the following examples, though outdated, remain illustrative of what we'll see in the final game.

===Wizard's Mirror Image===
'''[[Mirror Image]] Skill:''' This skill, from the [[Conjuring Skill Tree]], creates a duplicate of the [[wizard]], which is capable of moving around and using spells to attack monsters. (It's not just a decoy or an illusion.)
** '''Hydra/Multistrike Rune: '''Socketing this rune would increase the number of duplicates. Higher quality levels of the hydra/multi-strike rune would presumably add more duplicates.
** '''Force/Power Rune: '''Socketing this rune would increase the hit points of each duplicate, and increase the spell's duration.

===Wizard's Teleport Skill===
'''[[Teleport]] skill:''' This skill, from the [[Arcane Skill Tree]], teleports the Wizard to the targeted location. The spell isn't quite as quick as it was in Diablo or Diablo 2, since the Wizard leaps up into the air before vanishing, and appears in the air, then falls down to earth.

* '''Striking Rune:''' Adds damage to targets near where the Wizard appears, functioning something like the Barbarian's Leap Attack skill.
[[Image:teleport_striking.jpg|center|frame|Striking rune adds damage to the Wizard's teleport.]]

* '''Hydra/Multistrike Rune:''' Creates a temporary duplicate of the Wizard that will attract enemy fire and will fight and deal damage as well. (This seems to be basically a free way to cast Mirror Image when you Teleport.)
[[Image:teleport_multistrike.jpg|center|frame|Multistrike creates multiple wizards with Teleport.]]

===Witch Doctor's Skull of Flame===
'''[[Skull of Flame]] skill:''' The Witch Doctor lobs a flaming skull, grenade style, which explodes on impact, dealing substantial fire damage to nearby targets. Different runes affect this skill in different ways. Here are a couple of examples as presented during a BlizzCon 2008 panel discussion.

* '''Hydra/Multistrike Rune:''' Socketing this rune causes the flaming skull to skip along the ground, like a stone over water, bounding and creating multiple explosions. Higher quality runes would allow additional bounces.
[[Image:skullofflame_multistrike.jpg|center|frame|A multi-strike rune adds multiple hits.]]

* With '''Force/Power Rune:''' Socketing this rune adds a firefield property to the Skull of Flame, creating a small patch of flame on the ground that persists after the skull's explosion and damages any monsters that cross over it.
[[Image:skullofflame_power.jpg|center|frame|A force rune adds duration to the flames.]]

===Wizard's Electrocute===
'''[[Electrocute]] skill:''' This skill, from the [[Storm Skill Tree]] creates a strand of lightning that locks onto an enemy like a beam weapon, dealing steady lightning damage.

* '''Hydra/Multistrike Rune:''' Socketing this rune allows the lightning to chain to multiple targets.
[[Image:electrocute_multistrike.jpg|center|frame|Multiple targets are hit with the Hydra rune.]]

* With '''Viper/Lethality Rune:''' Socketing this rune causes some of the monsters killed by Electrocute to explode in a nova, dealing damage to other nearby enemies.
[[Image:electrocute_lethality.jpg|center|frame|Lethality rune adds AoE damage to enemy deaths.]]

==D3 Runes vs. D2 Runes==
Runes in [[Diablo III]] are nothing like the {{iw|Runes Runes}} found in [[Diablo II]]. In D2 there were 33 kinds of Runes, which were small items that had no use on their own, but that could be placed in item sockets to add various bonuses to the item. Certain combinations of runes could also be used to create {{iw|Runeword RuneWords}}, very powerful items with pre-set stats.

==BlizzCon 2009==
[[Image:Rune Explanation.png|thumb|400px|If any of the first six steps are changed, (and they will be) then the outcome will be fully scrapped.]]
Skill Runes were not enabled at BlizzCon 2009, for reasons Jay Wilson elaborated on during an interview after the show:

::'''''Diii.net: '''They’re still being reworked and you don’t have any further comment?
::'''Jay Wilson: '''They’re not being reworked, we had tons of skill runes on the Wizard and the Barbarian but they were so spotty across the entire class we thought it would be more confusing to show them off than to not. So we just disabled them all for the BlizzCon build. But they’re all still there and they work just fine.

During another interview, Jay Wilson explained the creative process of making a rune, and how making any changes at all to the first steps will scrap the end results entirely, as can be seen in the image on the right. [http://pc.ign.com/articles/101/1017305p1.html]

::'''Jay Wilson: '''Well, the system is similar for every class. What we did is we broke down five basic runes. Each rune has a general type of effective pluses. One tends to be more damage-oriented. One tends to multiply effects, splits projectiles or bigger radiuses, things like that. One tends to be a very energy-efficient rune, so you cut down cost or in some way increases the benefit of the skill, so you get more for less. One tends to be more focused on death effects, critical effects. And one of them we call just... the weird rune, which is our grab bag for anything unusual we want to stick on.

::Every active skill -- we define an active skill as a skill that you have to click to activate -- can have all five runes affect it. Each rune will change the function of the skill. Some of the changes are minor, there are some cases where there's not much appreciable effect. And then some cases are much more drastic, where for example with [[Ice Storm]] or [[Blizzard]], one of the things we're playing around with, this halo of frost whips around her and anyone that moves through it takes damage. That adds on to the effects that Ice Storm already does. So there's a whole bunch of different... the basic idea is to capture that dream of, I'm gonna customize my skills. Even though you and I have the exact same skills, we don't play the same because our skills are different. And then throughout the game, the runes will upgrade in power. So that will just increase and amplify the effect that they have.

==Further Reading==
You can find out more of the essential information about Diablo I and Diablo II runes in the {{iw|Main_Page Diablo 2 Wiki}}.

=== Diablo II Runes ===
* {{iw|Rune Runes}} - The main page for D2 runes.
* {{iw|Rune_FAQ Rune FAQ}} - All your questions about runes are answered here.
* {{iw|Rune_List Rune list}} - All the runes in Diablo II, and how you can create a {{iw|Zod Zod}} rune from a fourteen trillion {{iw|El Els}}.
* {{iw|Runewords Runewords}} - See how runewords work.
* {{iw|Sockets Sockets}} - Get to know more about the socket mechanic.

=== Diablo I Runes ===
The Diablo I expansion, [[Diablo I: Hellfire|Hellfire]] added "runes" as a trap-like type of item. Read more about them in the {{iw|D1_Hellfire_Runes Diablo I Runes}} article.

==Trivia (Rune History)==
What do you really know about runes? The ones from our world come from the ancient Vikings, and their "futhark" (equivalence of our 'Alpha Bet(a)') (which again come from the even more ancient Tibetan Yantras). They allegedly hold magic powers, and the magicks of the 'runa' are still practised today. These practices, called "Seden", are of course done mostly as a pastime, but some forms of the old runes were used in proper form as late as early 20th century in the 'Dalarna' area of Sweden...

[[Image:Runes.jpg|center|frame|Diablo 2 Runes]]

In [[Sanctuary]], however, runes are magically inscribed symbols. Though their use has changed slightly in the last 20 years, they used to grant (sufficiently prepared) [[items]] magical properties. For sages of these runes, magical {{iw|Runeword RuneWords}} would be created to remake a mundane item into a Runic Item, with powers competing with magical artifacts.

Besides the fact that these supposedly ancient runes hold great and mystic powers, we know little about them. Who created them or how they are created is unknown. They seem to attract [[demon]]s of different kinds, as they are often found on their corpses. If the runes are of demonic origin is not known either. They could have been the simple writing language of the first inhabitants of Sanctuary, who themselves were more powerful than Demons or [[Angel]]s. Whatever the origin, they are of great use to heroes wishing to dethrone [[Diablo]] or [[Baal]].

==References==
* [http://www.diii.net/blog/comments/blizzcast-8-live-with-diablo-iii-goodies/ BlizzCast #8]
* [[BlizzCon 2008]]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQBtkJ97Fbo&feature=related The Diablo 3 panel which deals with Fury issues]

[[Category:Runes]]
[[Category:Items]]
[[Category:Featured articles]]
[[Category:Lore]]

User talk:Leord/2

2010-07-09T18:25:24Z

Vipermagi: /* Holy fishes */

User talk:Leord/2

2010-07-09T18:19:21Z

Vipermagi: /* Holy fishes */

==Welcome 2==
I had to archive my talk page, it was getting too long. Welcome to the new one, feel free to leave any messages at the bottom of the page!

You can find the old one [[User talk:Leord/1|here]]. Please don't edit that one! :P If you want to continue on older topics, make a new one and bring it up like if it was a new one. I brought over a few topics that are a bit recent.

Cheers! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:34, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

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== Appreciation ==
Thank you for the touch-ups you did to the Alchemist page. As an English major, I was in agony over making such a mistake as putting "theirselves". If there are any other problems with the page, please feel free to correct them. I have not had much experience in writing webpages, but I am learning. Also, if you have any ideas, I am very open to imput. I do have a question: Is '''diablowiki.net''' connected to '''diii.net'''? I have noticed that my Alchemist page has appeared there as well, I wanted to make sure they were allowed to do so. -- 21:25, 8 July 2009 [[User:Kire|Kire]]
: You're quite welcome! :) Any edits in the wiki, you can get help in the [[Help|help section]]. As for Talk page comments, you can simply sign them with the press of a key, more info [[Help:Talk|here]].
: Diii.net is running DiabloWiki, but the contribs here does not necessarily have any connections with Diii.net. As for classes, do you mean [http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?t=731429 this one]? Doesn't look like it's the same, other than the name. :) As for "allowed", I am not sure what you mean. It's the internet, and you probably don't have a trademark for Alchemist. ;) Other than that, we don't impose any special user rights other than normal law. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:49, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::For what I can find, anything on this Wiki is completely uncopyrighted, so it's basically right-to-copy.
::Somewhat related is the message above the Summary bar; "(see [[Project:Copyrights]] for details)". Redlink, oops? ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:31, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::I know there are some rights reserved, for legal reasons etc. But over all, it's a pretty open affair :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:41, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::::Thanks again for clearing that up! And I do recognize that people are free to copy and edit anything on the site, so I'm not trying to lay claim to it. Sorry if I sounded like a jealous user -I think I was just shocked to see links to the Alchemist page on other sites so quickly. I need to also thank you for the link you gave me to the forum at Diii.net on Alchemists. I am now in touch with users with similar interests to my own! --[[User:Kire|Kire]] 11:27, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool! Yeah, things I do tend to get popular quick. Great to be back online as well. Been a horrible 2 odd weeks! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Skill template ==
Holidays are boring. 
Do you know approx. what skill pages you've created? I can spend some hours creating pages, since I have little better to do :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 00:02, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:While I possibly have your attention: [[Special:Contributions/AlgetMonco]] → Vandal that dislikes you. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:29, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:: Noticed. He's blocked now. I don't know if that helps. thatnks for keeping my talk page clean. Need to start archiving now as well :P

:: As for the skills, it's pretty easy to see which ones are made by looking at the skill navboxes for the wizard. I am literally doing one tree at the time, going through it from first to last :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:::When I get some free time again (preparing for a LAN weekend atm :) ) I'll start with the Barbarian. *writes a note on his desktop* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:02, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

::::Absolutely awesome. As we finalize these, we'll start making more wiki updates on the front of Diii.net as well. We took a big hit for the downtime, no time to spare to get it back! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:04, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Synnargeez ==
[[Conjured_Health#Synergies]]. CH synergizes with Mirror Image, not the other way around; I figured that header would be for skills that synergize with the skill you're looking at? Makes more sense to me. What's your thoughts on this case? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:24, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:Well, my idea was to have the term "synergy" to basically list all spells that are directly related. I'm using an old term because people are familiar with it. I am fairly certain there will be no "generally synergistic" spells like in Diablo II. You will have the 1 Rank spells (for Wizard) and then the 15 rank Skills. Possibly 2-15 varies between skills, but that basic design. A bit like skills and talents in one tree, talking in WoW terms (I should make an article about that!). --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:What do you think? I am very open for suggestions at this stage :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::I just find listing affected skills on passives a bit redundant, since the direct effect is listed in both Background and Description.
::Also, on skill ranks: Base will be 5 max, and it's possible to get a higher cap (10 and 15) for an X amount of skills (unknown X). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:51, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::We'll see about the base. Most Wizard skills are 15. As for listing, I like it. It's like the official list with all things affecting or affected by it. If someone wants to reference a spell, it's great to have it in a standardised place, if you can't be bothered to look for the link in BG/Description etc. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:58, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::::A Bashiok quote on skill point caps:
:One important addition to this is the skill caps themselves. Currently we're envisioning the majority of skills to be capped at 5 points, to begin with. As a form of progression we're planning for players to be able to increase the point caps of skills. More than likely to a maximum of 15. It's a system that's still under heavy design, but the fact of choosing and increasing key skills beyond their initial cap is important to this new unified tier system.</pre>
::::So, most Wizard skills are actually 5 :P
::::As for the list: Okay. It's not like I'll die over the redundancy :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:25, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool. We'll we will have to update this as we move along. Could you make a short paragraph in the [[skill]]s article about the tier system? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:27, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

==Skill / Skill tree / Tier==
[[Skill#Earlier_Info]] has a link to [[Skill_tree]] which has info on Skill [[tier]]s.

We could either split up Skill tree and Tier into two articles, or keep it on one page. I'm fine with either (leaning slightly towards one page; A lot of small pages tend to be harder to navigate). Pick your poison. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:33, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:I was almost thinking we should include all pages to one, like [[skill]]s and [[skill tree]]s really are very closely related. either that, or a lot more interlinking and some sort of navigation. That page would be pretty long though...
:If we just try to summarize the quotes a bit (since wikipedia and other wikis don't really quote much anyway), it would make the article a lot shorter... What are your thoughts? As it is now, it's definitely a little bit too confusing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:32, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

::Just dumping the info on both pages together would make a huge article, yes, but it would have a ton of redundancy too. The page won't be all that long once you remove all the duplicate information (that's another pro of having 1 page over several: Less repeated info :) ). Then again, when is a page long, and when is it not?
::We could make one page in the userspace or wherever to see how long it'd be after removing all redundancy. It would also be a better page for format testing than the page the site's visitors read ;)
::In the end I'm for one page and redirects to that page (and headers on that page if they work). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:58, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::Oki, I agree. You think you got tome to do it? My next major DW push will be skills again. --17:14, 10 August 2009 Leord

::::I have a lot of Tomes to do stuff ;) Will get to skill pages tomorrow. by the way.
::::[[User:Vipermagi/Skill]] and [[User:Vipermagi/Skill2]]. The first is done (unless there's information missing currently?), the latter is not (yet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:15, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Looks very good. We will implement it a bit later then. :) One thing I didn't understand: What's left to do? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

I have deleted [[skill tree]] and made all info on it available on [[Skill]] instead. It makes more sense, who would look at "skill tree" for that info anyway? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 19:03, 16 September 2009 (CEST)

==Skill table==
[[Power of the Battlemaster]] now just has a bulleted list of it's effect. The header is misleading though, as it promised a table. Ideas? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 11 August 2009 (CEST)

:Yes, that's true. The idea is to have a table there in the future, and a bullet point list is what we do before we have proper info. I'd say we keep the name atm. Just so it fits when it's all "upgraded" properly.

:On a sidenote, don't write <void> on Description. Just write what is known. Look at the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] article, and use that as inspiration. You can always write something. Also, a little blurb at the top of the page is good as well. Just take the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] one, and replace class, skills, and then add a few words at the end of it :) This will also make sure to put the infobox underneath the ad.

:You can also add "(presumed)" for rank 4 and 5 of the skill, like I did with many of the arcane skills. If you have 3 ranks info, then you can probably figure out the other ranks stats. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

==Im back, baby!==

Hey leord, im back... was absent because there werent any juicy news about diablo 3, so i went away... im like a bear, i do my thing during specific times... Anyway i have a few suggestions, then im off to editing some articles and adding new ones...http://www.diablowiki.net/skins/common/images/button_sig.png

A: This wiki needs an IRC channel, hosted on quakenet, if possible, it would be much easier for editors/people to go to the channel, and ask questions there... like how to edit articles, or to report any mistakes that we might have made... please say yes

B: There is no B...

C: No C too...

-- 12:53, 20 August 2009 DxAxxxTyriel

: Hey man, nice to see you! :) At the moment, we don't have a IRC channel, but some sort of chat will come up later on. At the moment, I am mostly in the #StarcraftWire channel on Quakenet! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:54, 20 August 2009 (CEST)

==Monk==
Hey dude, you mind if i do the Monk Class? i saw the Diablo 3 panel and WoW:C panels on Ustream, from a guy who was streaming the Pay-per-view thing.... can i? i have many pictures. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 00:53, 22 August 2009 (CEST)

:Dude! Bloody good job on the Monk! And never ask permission to do anything in the wiki ;) You are always free to do anything (except mupping up content, ofc)! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:19, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

:Thx mate. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 15:56, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

== Meli back.... ==

Hi Leord,

I am back to do updates to both Wizard and Monk, from the large news posts on diii.net which detail the full skill trees. Alot to throw out and alot to add. I will leave all the skill pages that are becoming obsolete for the moment just as they. Might be reuseable when they change skill setup again. Otherwise i am updateing all the related pages and also navigation boxes where needed.

Been fiddling with Witch doctor and Wizard already. Will take 1-2 evenings to get it all done though.

regards, meli --[[User:Melianor|Melianor]] 13:57, 31 August 2009 (CEST)

:Hello Melianor, great to see you! (and the great updates!)

:Yes, we'll keep/make skills of the old skills, but put them in an archive of some sort later on, so don't set any of them for deletion! :) I will join you in editing in a few minutes ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:34, 1 September 2009 (CEST)

== FAQ ==
[[FAQ]] changed ever so slighty. You can reach it's old contents [http://www.diablowiki.net/FAQ&action=edit here]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:25, 3 September 2009 (CEST)

:Weird. I know the /FAQ is some special page in the wiki, not a regular article... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:45, 4 September 2009 (CEST)

:[[Diablo III FAQ]]: this is the actual FAQ. the [[FAQ]] article is some sort of special Wiki thing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:15, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::I know; that's why I linked you to the &edit page, so you could access the old information. I didn't know wether you might wanted to transplant it :> The DIII Faq has the same information, though, so I suppose you don't need it anymore. [[FAQ]] is also unlinked beyond this page, so all is well. Redirecting it didn't work, sadly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:33, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::Yeh, no I think I tried fiddling with it last year, and gave up, adding a new FAQ with another name :) If you find out how to make use of [[FAQ]], don't be shy :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:13, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::::I can tell you no other wiki I visit uses the FAQ page at all (page never created), and none of those have the odd plain text. Since I can't: Maybe try a delete? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:41, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::::It will likely just delete the article I made. The thing is, the site obviously redirects the [[FAQ]] url to some other place than the actual article. I have no idea why. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 20:08, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

== Some Problem... ==
A fan class has been popping up in all the class pages. I removed the links, and think it's just a mistake on the author's path. Maybe some editing is the Class Template page.Please check it out.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 05:47, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

: After LOTS of problems, I fixed it all. I left messages a little bit of everywhere to explain it :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

== New Fanmade Content ==

Hello everyone! 
I am a self-taught artist. I just signed in Diablo Wiki and I still don't know how to operate here. I was invited here by Targetgamer. I have many ideas about Diablo 3 and I have posted them in the Battle.net forums. Targretgamer read them and invited me here. As soon i get used to the tools here I will post my ideas on this site. In the meantime you can see my ideas in the battle.net forums. I have ideas in both Suggestions and Diablo 3 forums. Some people there think that I am a spammer, because my post are too long. I hope that people here will be more patient and read more of my ideas. 
Here are some links 

A proposal for a new duel system in Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18031101457&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior - New class proposition:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550662&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior /Shinobi/ skills:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18313393127&sid=3000

New Monster Propositions with Concept Art for Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=20133925237&sid=3000

Read some of my ideas and maybe post your opinion in the forum.

Hello, its Veskin7 Bukito again. 
I forgot to add the last post. 
View my idea for a new continent meant to be added in Diablo 3 expansion 
Here is the link to the Diablo 3 forum:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550680&sid=3000

Enjoy!

-- Veskin7 Bukito 20:34, 29 September 2009

: OH, awesome! I am actually Targetgamer on Battle.net. It's my old Starcraft nickname, but I go by Leord on most other places.

: First off, general ideas and stuff is hard to add to the wiki, unless they have a popular support. However, stuff like monsters, we can make a page for, that looks like an official monster, but is more like a fan idea. I did this with [[fan class]]es, which has turned out marvellous. So basically, we could make a [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior. Just go to [[Fan class:Dragon Warrior]], where I pasted a standardised text you can help me fill out.

: You have basically everything ready to go, so it will mostly be copy+pasting. The standard text uses Wizard mostly, so you need to replace any Wizard skill names etc with Dragon Warrior skills. Now, if you have any self-made concept art, check out the help page called [[Help:Image]], and add them to the wiki.

: The background of the class needs more breaks, so it's not just one block of text. You need more air in it. Also, since [[Lut Gholein]] etc are real places, and [[Abd al-Hazir]] really exist in the gameworld, you can easily link to them in the wiki! Just check [[Help:Markup]] for how to make links!

: If you need help, myself and others are around. Just post a comment on my talk page, most people follow that. My idea is that when you made a proper [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior, we'll move on to the monsters, and we'll create a system to make fan monsters as well. That way you get a dedicated page with a good design on the biggest Diablo info database, and you can easily link it on Battle.net forums, or other Diablo fan forums.

: It's good if you fiddle around a bit before we start making a new type of page though :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:23, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:: Also! I just thought about that wonderful map you made. I doubt enough other people will make additional world maps to be an actual new section of the wiki, but what you can do is heading over to [http://www.diii.net/ Diii.net], which is the biggest Diablo fansite, and posting it in their [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=503 fan art gallery] and in the forum. I know Bashiok has said he visits the page. Same with the duel system suggestion. You will likely get much better discussion than on Battle.net, where there is a lot of trolls. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:30, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:::'''Thank you!'''
:::Thank you, Leord! I am really happy that you appreciate my effords.
:::My goal is to make Blizzard create the things I've invented or at least get their attention.
:::I will we very grateful if you help me with this.
:::I will be able to edit the Dragon Warrior, but this will happen after some days. I actually am a fan without PC - I have played Blizzard games in internet clubs and I post my stuff from a friend's computer, but I can visit him per two days for just 3 hours a day. That's why I will ask you to edit the page if you don't want to wait for me. You can contact me on my E-mail /listed on my profile/ to receive further information about the Dragon Warrior skills and different skill tree names which I heve not invented yet.
:::I'll be in touch. -- 20:29, 30 September 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

::::Cool man :)

::::I am unfortunately busy doing other things at the wiki, but I did start up the [[Fan class]] program here together with [[Holyknight3000]]. I can help you with technical stuff, but the actual content you need to add yourself. How come you don't have internet? o.O

::::Nice to see you around anyway, and just leave a message here if you have any questions or concerns. If you finish off the Dragon Warrior, I'll make sure to create a nice template for how to make monster after! :)

::::Also, don;t forget to sign your posts. If you are unsure how, check out [[Help:Talk]]. ;)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:43, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::I removed some of your links. Check the [[Talk:Fan class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior talk page]]. Also, I think you should upload the images. Check [[Help:Image]]s for help, or ask me :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

== Diablo3wiki.org ==
Actually I didn't start a new wiki. It was already there. And I already have contributed on that wiki alot. I kinda tried to ressurect it from the dead, but I think that the wiki is a lost cause.
I'll gladly contribute to this wiki. And if you need the help to manage this wiki, you can count me in. I do have some wiki experience(most of it is style related).

:I guess I'll just ask if they can delete/merge diablo3wiki.org --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:20, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

::Awesome! :) I am so happy! We're not that many wiki enthusiasts that also like Diablo, so it seems silly to split the effort. Also, the DiabloWiki.net has roots back to 1998, with old Diabloii.net's info pages. A lot here is on Diablo2.Diablowiki.net, and info has been around for a decade.

::Lots of it needs a facelift though, and lots of D3 info that needs adding :)

::I'd say you should try to get www.diablo3wiki.org changed to redirect to DiabloWiki.net, and then just leave the Diablo 3 wiki on wikia. If anyone else finds it there and start edits, perhaps we can add them to the greater project here as well, like Vipermagi and you!

::I'll start looking through all pages on Diablo3.wikia and try to get anything I can, besides images. Perhaps you can do a second trip to make sure we're not missing out on anything good? Next job here in DiabloWiki will be to update all [[monster]] pages to make sure they all use the [[Boilerplate:Monster|boilerplate]], and also add monsters we have concept art of, but no names. Best to have them in here, and we can just rename them and add some info if Blizz release lore material for it. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:44, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Do you work with Stub categories here? Or is it just search and rescue? If it is the last one I can upload stub templates. It's a bit easier because all still to be edited pages will all be put in one category --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:27, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::There is just one Stub type category here at the moment. If you would like to help out making the art of stubbing more advanced, that sounds like a lovely idea. Make sure to explain any new stuff you make on the [[Help:Stub]] page as well. Easier to tell people what is new with that.

::::I have been meaning to do a stub facelift for ages, but I've not had the chance. Also, Templates in general need to be better categorised etc. You can see my work at structuring the wiki on [[Help:Structure]]. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:31, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::By the way, I looked through the wiki, and added a little info on the [[Deckard Cain]] article, and some other minor things. Good to know we got it covered. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:23, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

==Gameplan==
Uhm maybe it's a smart Idea to copy some templates from wikia. Or at least look if we can use some, or just look for Ideas?? :P --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 17:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:Yeah, sure, for ideas if nothing else. I'd rather look at Wikipedia for guidance, though... My main point here was more the categorisation etc. But feel free to do it however you want.

:As for templates, they are currently working pretty good, we just need to increase more navboxes, and my point was if we should categorise the templates, not so much taking anything from Wikia. :) What do you think? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:25, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::Well catogorizing them should be no problem. Since collecting+updating our wikicontent wouldn't be much of a problem. I'd like to look for new styles. Because the first think I see when I go to main page (it might be just me) is a big mess. Only when I take a better look I find info. So we need to do something about that. If you like I can try making a entire new Mainpage (or entire new skin). Not that this skin is bad, it's good.. in fact it is very good. But it still can be perfected. And I'd like to start helping this wiki by making it easy to read/easy to find/easy to see info. Tell me what you think of it/what your gameplan is. I'd probably tag in on ya --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 18:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Remaking it completely seems like a very big job for something that isn't sure to have a great effect. I know we currently lack good navigation as it is. What would you primarily like to change on the front page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:18, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::For starters? Less links. and maybe lose the how to help and/or the did you know part? That makes it a lot easier to read --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 19:59, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Personally don't mind the HtH/DYK? sections. I do agree on the links-to-text ratio. It's a big brick of links currently. Changing the skill tree lists to a small line or note like the following could work:
<pre>For information on [[character]] [[skills]], check out the following pages:
*[[Barbarian Skills]]
*[[Monk Skills]]
*etc.</pre>
:::::I'd be more inclined to read text than links myself.
:::::On the other hand, I never use the main page (RC is my navigation tool), so I might not be the one to ask for help on organisation ^^" Meh, you guys decide what you want and I'll be fine with it regardless (unless you make it pink or blue). Just spouting ideas around randomly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:08, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::::What about
{|Border=1;width=33%;
|Character classes
|-
|
*[[Barbarian]] ([[Barbarian_skills|skills]])
*[[Monk]] ([[Monk_skills|skills]])
*[[Wizard]] ([[Wizard_skills|skills]])
*[[Witch Doctor]] ([[Witch_Doctor_skills|skills]])
*[[Archivist]] ([[Archivist_skills|skills]])
*[[Other classes|Unanounced Classes]]
|}

Simplicity is the best. And don't forget: The Mainpage is your trademark... If it's F-ed up they think the wiki is F-ed up.
::::::And for creating a new template we can also put that as a side project. When there is nothing to do... God bless boredom --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 20:34, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::There are several advantages with having it there. It's easy navigation if you go there etc. The question is how much it's used. I took the idea from some other big wiki ages past. The thing is, I just got access to the top menus, perhaps we should just put it in there, with dropdowns for stuff, and put something like "How to find info" in the links section, pointing people up to the menu? In the meanwhile, I am going to finish off the last Wizard skills now. You're all very welcome to help out, just check the [[Boilerplate:Skill]] --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::: There is a planned nav box for the left hand side which I was discussing with one of the other admins over the weekend. We were thinking of offering two skins. This one with some tweakage to volume of links and another with the main navigation being on the left, as is standard, both on the main page and within. This would allow us to take even more links off the body and leave that more for features. I agree the 'How to' could be trimmed right back, maybe even just to a small box with "How to help" and some essential links to orientate newcomers.

:::::::: I like the 'Did you know' feature. As long as it has slightly more obscure facts I think people like it. --[[User:Elly|Elly]] 17:54, 5 October 2009 (CEST) 

:::::::::I think a more organized main page would be nice. When you think about it, a lot of the page is everywhere. yes it is organized, but i think a more improved main page would be nice, and whatever template/style you guys choose i think will be fine.--[[User:Holyknight3000|holyknight3000]] 07:24, 6 October 2009 (CEST) 

::::::::::If anyone wants to make some test main pages that are improved that would be helpful -- [[User:Elly|Elly]] 23:35, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

===Plans Right Now===
What we'll do for right now then, I think, is making the new menu changes to the top of the wiki, and see what rush comes up with for the classic skin. When we have that done, we'll see what the front page could need in terms of change.

In the meanwhile, it could be cool to hear suggestion on how to change the "how to help" section, and also perhaps list a good menu structure for the top of the page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:37, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:I just realized I made some notes on that:
:''We need a "Help Out" tab, with links to wanted pages etc, and also to help. Perhaps rename/remove Quick Links.''
:--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:40, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

== Some suggestiond and one idea ==

Hey Leord, how are you?
First I'm going to answer your question on why I have no computer and Internet - the answer is simple - poverty. I am a poor student that gets a scholarship of 60 euro per month. My parents have retired and get some pensions of 150 euro per month each. The money is just not enough to buy a PC. But we don't give up. My brother and I will econcmize money an after six months maybe we'll buy one computer. Until then I'm just gonna sit in Internet clubs.

I have a suggestion about the picture upload. Can you do this?: When you type <add picture> a dialog box appears and allows you to browse your computer and upload the file in the <add picture> location. Is it possible to be programmed? I am pretty sure that it is.

And the idea:

I wandered what to do so the efforts of the fans with the fan classes not to go in vain. And here is what I invented:
Why don't we offer Blizzard to make an entirely new Diablo game called Diablo 3 Fan Edition? It will contain classes and monsters made by fans and there will also be an entirely new continent /Angarock/ for the story of the game, made by fans /me/. The contributing fans may do the beta testing and stuff.

What do you think?

--16:25, 6 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

:Ah, sorry to hear about that, Veskin7 Bukito, and I hope it works out for you and your brother :)

:Yes, it's easy enough to upload images, but you do it slightly different. Check out [[Help:Image]]s. I have written the article to help people adding images. What you do then is almost exactly what you said. :)

:Fan classes, fan art, fan fiction and all things created by fans will never be done in vain. It's an integral part of the community, and it's the kind of stuff Blizzard takes inspiration from when they create thing in the game. We can definitely ask them to make these classes in some special edition, but the primary reason we put them here is to tantalize and be fun for the community. The development time to even make ONE of these fan classes to a real hero is pretty big, and they would not do it unless they felt enough thousands of people would buy in to it.

:They generally don't take entire ideas by people for their content, but are ''inspired''. However, if the fan classes by fans are added here, they will be left on the internet permanently, and perhaps inspiring Blizzard in upcoming expansions or perhaps Diablo 4 some time in 10 years. :) The whole reason I started encouraging fans to add their work here is so that it should not have been done in vain. It will always be here, available for fans and Blizzard alike.

:Never think all your work is in vain! You have shown that you have an open and active imagination, and is capable of writing. Perhaps your ideas will inspire Blizzard, perhaps not, but it's not that important, because you can create more!

:Perhaps you should consider trying to write fan fiction based on [[Sanctuary]], and the official world, or some short story about one of the countries in your Angarock continent? Either way, I think you should concentrate on making it as nice and detailed as possible, and available on DiabloWiki, so you can link it to people in the community or perhaps to friends on MSN etc. :) Give it a proper home, and make sure it's very nice and polished. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:41, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:Re, image idea: It ''may'' possible, but it takes a lot of time to make it work without bugging up, and we'd need to find someone extremely skilled and willing. We're better off directing people to [[special:upload]]/[[help:Image]]. An image needs it's own page, so the script will have to:
:* Recognise the <add image> 'tag'
:* Pop up a window that only looks for .jpegs/etc. by default
:* Pop a window that asks for the page name*
:* Check if the name isn't taken**
:* Upload the image under the chosen name
:** Possibly add proper tags/categories
:* Replace <add picture> with the proper link.
: *= If everyone uploads images without a descriptive name, it's hard to discern one from another. This also causes naming conflicts; When an image is uploaded to a name that is already used, it will override/remove the old image. This can be reverted, but it's a hassle.
: **=An image database is usually not fully up to date. The wiki software is hardcoded to flush the lists (i.e. update) once a day. Since the list is most likely not up to date, it's possible the script doesn't notice an image name is taken, and thus uploads the image over the old image.
:Additionally, the script will slow down page loading somewhat, which is more often than not unnecessary. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:01, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

::Aha, now I understand :) Now we're not going to add such a script. Perhaps later, when other critical; things are fixed. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:24, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Writing such a script shouldn't be such a problem. But Viper is right what we need are a few people that script for this wiki. We have enough people to add the content (for the moment). I don't know if any1 here has acces to the scripts? But the person that you want to add those scripts should have it. And also Leord, if u want me to redesign some of the wiki parts (like the mainpage) maybe you should give me some rights as well?
:::The scripting: I think we should wait a bit with that. Untill we have the correct style and everything
:::P.S; the reason I don't react that often/update content atm is because I am a bit busy with school.. Will change in a couple of days --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:52, 7 October 2009 (CEST)
::::edit: I'd also like to see a few functions on this wiki but like Leord said we first need to do the primary things and then think about the secondary things --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:55, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Awesome. As for the script specifically, I just can't see the need for it, and creating a new possible way for hackers to try and gain access to the site (yes, we're often under attack) isn't a positive either. Not saying anyone here would fail at the scripting, just saying the more ways there are to upload stuff or do ANYTHING on the server, the more possible security holes appear.

:::::Good to know we'll see more of you soon, fighter :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:41, 8 October 2009 (CEST)

== Let's do it! ==

Hey, Leord!
The page of the Dragon Warrior is almost complete. I only have to add some skills and the pictures.

BTW can we proceed with creating Fan Monsters page?

And one more question: Do I create a new topic in the Battle.net forums called "Diablo 3 Fan Edition" and describe the idea and add links? I suggest there should be a vote for different classes, so Blizzard pick and create the best, and also a vote for creating Angarock. When I have more time, I will describe the idea thoroughly. -- 20:19, 11 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

: Hello!
: First off, you need to sign your talk page posts. Check out [[Help:Talk]] on how to do that :)
: Secondly, I want you to understand that you will likely not get a great strong reaction from asking people about this, other than admiration from doing a great job. Most likely, Blizzard will not create new classes or continents 100% based on fan input. Among reasons include the legal one: If they would take your world, they would have to pay you copyright money. So. Instead, they will *possibly* take some inspiration from you, and other fan artists, and make their own stuff.
: So, I really like the Fan Monster idea, and I'll get on it later today probably, but it will be hard to get Blizzard to use material created by fans.
: Having said that, it would be really cool with a fan class contest! Like, people make Fan Classes on DW.net, and we decide a winner. Then, hopefully, Blizzard takes note of it, and perhaps incorporate some of those ideas in the game later on! However, it would be cool with some sort of prize then... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:52, 12 October 2009 (CEST)

== The Aurian Mage project ==
Hello, Leord. 
I have been working on a new Fan class called Aurian Mage. I invented more than 30 skills for one night and the class is almost ready. 
Can you please create a sample fan class page called Fan Class:Aurian Mage and add link to the fan classs category, just like you did with the Dragon Warrior?

Thank you.

Veskin7 Bukito 15 October 2009

:Awesome! Oki, I created the [[Fan class:Aurian Mage|Aurian Mage]], and it's ready to go. Just remember to make a sub-page for any links you create, like on the [[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior]]. Meaning a <nowiki>[[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior/Skill Tree 1]]</nowiki> for example. :) Mind you, I have added it to the Fan class category, but it's not visible in the navigation box until you're done. I'll make it visible as soon as you added your info :)

:Also, you can easily make name + time stamp on any talk page posts you make by adding "<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>" at the end. When you press submit, the site recognises that string and replaces it with name + time + date :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:58, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

::Another thing. When you're done, don't forget to make a post on Battle.net about it. I'll help you bump the thread there if you give me the url ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:59, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==New Page==
Can you please create a new page solely for linking to official trailers? I'm not sure how to do this. What I do is to create a link to that page, it shows up red and I edit it.:)--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

P.S. I'm working on Dead end pages and Orphaned pages.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

:Oh! Awesome! That is sweeeheet! Check out [[Help:New_article]] that I wrote :) Basically, you'll probably feel silly for not thinking of it yourself ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:03, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==Copy from D2 Wiki?==
I noticed that DW doesn't have some basic pages like [[Andariel]], but these are there in D2wiki. Can I just copy the revelant info or should I stick solely to the info released by Blizzard?--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:32, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

:Stick to info released by blizzard. Things may have changed. Also most of the info on this week needs to be confirmed so u can't copy/paste from D2W --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:51, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::Hmm, don't know. I'd say they would keep information/Lore canon; she won't suddenly be a male horned demon :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:13, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::You can use any source anywhere, as long as any speculation is clearly stated as speculation. Sources from D2W are pretty reliable, so go ahead. Do link the source in the references section though! Also, if something is debated to be true or not, make sure to point that out as well.

::In general, D2W is free to just copy. What you can do in addition to that is to check out what pages link to a certain D2W page, and change the link to a D3W page, or link to D3W for the lore. Just use [[Template:Iw]] (<nowiki>{{iw|Article_name Article name}}</nowiki> - will look like this: {{iw|Andariel Andariel}}. Since we'll keep the D3W more up to date on lore etc.

::Also, don't forget to link back to the D2W page for stats etc --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:14, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

::@Vipermagi: Blizzard has a habbit changing some parts of the lore so it would be easier for them to create "New" Things. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:47, 20 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Yes, that's why I made the [[retcon]] article ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:18, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

==Destruction of information==
You seem to have made your previous talk page disappear entirely (as in, not even an archive). Was this your intention? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:50, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

:With the new German wiki incoming, I accidentally deleted pages as I thought the wikis had been separated (try http://de.diablowiki.net/ which works, but is the same database as www). Restored it now, but lost history I think... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:05, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

::History is still there :> I initially thought you archived by deletion, to be honest. All's well and good again, anyhow :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:58, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

== About Fan Monsters ==

Hey, Leord, I have two questions about Fan Monsters:

1/ Is it possible to accept my form of monster description /the one shown in the battle.net forum/?

Here it is:

CLASS -Specify monster class - often met, rarely met, weak, tough, very tough, miniboss, boss or whatever else class you wish.

APPEARANCE - Describe how the monster looks - colours and other specific things.

SIZE - Specify the size of the monster - height/lenght and other specific things.

DESCRIPTION, BEHAVIOUR AND SKILLS - Describe the monster's behaviour, where is it met and its skills one by one.

SOUNDS - describe what sounds does your creature make.

DEATH - describe how exactly does your monster die.

ITEMS DROPPED - describe what kind of items does your monster drop when killed.

EXPERIENCE - say how much experience does your monster give when killed - few, medium, lots or whatever else you say.

2/ I think there is a mistake in your example when you tell us how to create a new fan monster in the [[Fan monster]]s category. You said that we should just type the name of the monster like http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_class:Banana_Hammock . Maybe it should be

http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_monster:Banana_Hammock ?

I just wandered if you made a mistake... Am I right?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 01:06, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

::Heya!

::'''First off:''' The idea was to make the monster articles look similar to the REAL monster articles. Like for the [[skeleton]] etc. You can make the fan monster any way you want, but I would recommend just copying [[Boilerplate:Monster/copy]], and using that as a template. If you need instructions on how to use it, check out [[Boilerplate:Monster]].

::Most of the headlines you mentioned, you can put as sub-headlines to the '''"Diablo II Monster"''' headline.

::'''Secondly:''' Yes, that was a typo, I corrected it :)

::-- 11:09, 26 October 2009 [[Leord]]

== Fan Monsters Got Started ==
Hey, Leord, I just uploaded the first fan monster. Check out the [[Fan monster:Death Claw]]. Now you can update the Fan monster category by making a category box like the fan class category. I also found a solution about my form of monster description - I added the Death Claw Detailed Description in which I describe the monster my way. See if you can edit something in the Death Claw page...

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:29, 28 October 2009 (CET)

:Hehe, it's actually the SECOND monster. You were beaten by the [[Fan monster:Brutal Beast|Brutal Beast]] by a few days ;)

:Anyway, I have added your article to the navigation, and I cleaned it up a bit, removing sections, and hiding some. Remember to use the "copy" version instead of the main boilerplate. The copy version has everything ready to go, and sections not often used are hidden.

:Other than that, looking mighty fine! :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:09, 29 October 2009 (CET)

==New Search==
Nice shiny new search bar! I like it! Works loads better. I left a message for you on my talk page.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 23:56, 2 November 2009 (CET)

== Finally!!! ==
I have some spare time now.. So... Do you have any technical problems/issues/whatever you want fixed or technical things created? Want me to start making a new layout for the frontpage? Want me to create new templates etc. etc. Give me some orders and I'll check if possible then get it done if possible ;). I'll check your page tomorrow again. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:52, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:Why start later?
:Using: [[Template:The_Key_header]] as an example. Wouldn't it be smarter to catogorize it in [[Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header]] so it would show up as Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header in RC that would make it clear about who is deleting/editing what.
::P.S: This site's lay out is <s>f*cked</s> --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:01, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:::If you put the template in (Main:)Fanmade/, you would need to use <nowiki>{{Fanmade/Template:The_Key_Header}}</nowiki> to insert it on pages. That's obscure and weird if you ask me :P It's also moved out of the Template: namespace that way. Doesn't matter too much, but usually when looking for templates used in actual articles, you look in the Template: [[Special:Prefixindex|prefix-index]], rather than that of non-existant articles ([[Fanmade]] does not exist (yet)). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:57, 9 November 2009 (CET)

:::Awesome! Nice to see you having more spare time. :) The [[Main Page]] is of course a quite sensitive topic, as it's just about the most important page on the wiki. If you have design ideas, just whip up a really simple sketch in paint or the like, and upload it for us all to see. What I'm saying it it's needs to be an open debate, so don;t spend too much time on any one idea before talking to the rest of us for input. :)

:::As Vipermagi points out, it would break the regular prefixes to use slashes in the name for templates. I know the categorisation of templates could use some work, but we're probably not going to change things too much. Also, we're likely not adding Fanmade or other prefix at the moment.

:::I'd very much appreciate if you were a little bit more specific with feedback if there is something (like the layout) that is to your disliking. Is there something actually bugged, or is it a general layout choice you dislike?

:::There's plenty of other things you can do that doesn't require input from the rest of us though! There are several monsters in the [http://www.diii.net/gallery Diii.net's gallery] that don't have their own monster pages for instance. Many of the current monsters and skills need pictures. We need to add more lore entries from the [[Diablo I Manual]], [[Diablo II Manual]], [[Diablo II: Lord of Destruction Manual]] etc. The [[Timeline]] can be filled out with mroe entries from current lore. We have [[:Category:Factions|factions]], and [[:Category:Ethnic groups|ethnic groups]] etc, that really need to have a bit more clear category structure, and navbox etc.

:::I have just updated the menus of the wiki, so you can now find almost anything you want directly from the menu. Please help with feedback on whatever could be useful. Also, let's continue to discuss the new main page, but lets not lose focus on making the wiki's *content* the best on the net as well :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:14, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::::With layout I mean de links on the navigation boxes and stuff :P. Anyways I'll start with making a new lay out in paint. And I'll create a discussion topic for it. After that I'll check out the diablo II lore because I got the manuals here. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 10:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== D2 barb skills ==

I just finished doing images for the major barb skills ;) When you have some free time, check them out and tell me what you think!
--[[User:DoomBoy|Doomboy]] 5:15pm, November 8, 2009 (PST)

:Oh man, that is fantastic! I love it, the pages look so much more alive now! Is the Monk skills next? :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:37, 9 November 2009 (CET)

== Tomb Viper ==
Do you mind if I work on a wiki for the tomb viper? What kind of creature is it? Animal or Demon?
--[[User:Butch Audacity|Butch Audacity]] 10:44 PM, Nov 8, 2009

:No, go right ahead! :) Is that a real monster from the videos, or one you have invented? If it's a real monster, just class it as Demon, I think. There's no proper classification yet, so just go with what is most likely :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:55, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::The Tomb Vipers are from the Blizzcon 2009 Demo. I tried making a page for the Tomb Vipers and I wasn't allowed to. Any suggestions? -- 04:16, 10 November 2009 Butch Audacity

:::[[Tomb Vipers]]. I added it for you, but it's very easy to create [[Help:New_article|new articles]]. Also, it's great if you sign your posts on talk pages. I think you have in the past, so I might just be rude and point it out, but if you feel unsure, check out [[Help:Talk]]. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== New Fan Monsters Added ==

Hey, Leord, how are you doing?
I have added three more monsters to the fan monster category: [[Fan monster:Black Hand Mage|Black Hand Mage]], [[Fan monster:Dark Venom|Dark Venom]] and [[Fan monster:Desert Cyclops|Desert Cyclops]].

See if there is something to edit on them and you can add them to the fan monster navbox.

What are you doing these days? Let's chat.

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 22:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey! I completely forgot to reply to this. eithe myself or someone else added your monsters to the navbox in either way. I'm fine thanks, doing work on the wiki and whatnot :) Yourself? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Well I'm fine. Now I busy myself with some fan monsters and my newest project - a joke monster called Golden Pepper. This pepper is a special one - if you eat it, you will recieve a rare or unique item. Will add it as soon as I draw the picture.

::In the meantime I'm still waiting for Holyknight3000 to put colors to some of my pictures.

::And in the university I study in - The Ecology is fine. Now we are pretty close to exam session. Must study and write course projects.

::P.S.

::Yes it was me who added the new monsters to the navbox, now that I know how to do it, I will not bother you.
::I will soon contact you for creating some new articles - "Fan Items" and "Fan characters and NPCs". But still not ready for these. --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== .uuuhm ==
While Looking at the site (The navboxes in particular). I realised that this site could use some changes. So what I wanna do is the following:
*Create a new Front page (Naming it something like /NewMainpage (can be deleted after I'm done).
*Redesigning navboxes (naming the templates with things like /NpcNavbox2 and putting them on 1 page).
*Let people think and consider if they want the old designs or the new designs.

Tell me what you think and if you're okay with it I'll start with the proces. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, I forgot to reply to you too :)

:First off, always create test pages on your user page, like <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Main_Page]]</nowiki>. Good idea is also to link to it from your user page so you don't forget that it exists. :) Secondly, I'm not really looking to make a main page overhaul, unless you have something spectacular in mind. This is why I thought just doing a quick sketch in MS Paint or whatever to let me get an idea of where you were going was smart. Other than that, It's really only "Key Pages" that's planned to be changed now when most articles are presented in the top menus.

:Navboxes are really meant to be properly redesigned using both parsing and some simple java scripts, so we can use "tabs" and the like. I'm not sure spending time on a redesign in the interim is a project well spent time on. Same there though, if you have an idea that makes tabbing of navigation obsolete, I'd love to hear/see it. Make a <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Navbox]]</nowiki> page so we can see what you're thinking.

:What we REALLY need though is improving lore pages. Regardless of if you know much about Diablo lore or not, it's usually not somethign that is required. Just open one of the manuals, look at a section, make sure any relevant words are linked up, and that any of those links include the info of that section. almost always there's a lot to add, be it new characters, locations or the like. You can also check the [[http://www.diablowiki.net/Special:Wantedpages Wantedpages]], and add articles that way.

:A second thing we really need is images. Loads of pages, like [[Lut Gholein]] could use mroe descriptive imagery, and especially the [[skill]]s. All skills should have at least one image on them each.

:So, basically, show us your ideas before you start spending loads of time into coding a main page or a new navbox, and let everyone comment on it, then go. In the meanwhile, there's loads of other work needing to be done in the wiki that is just as important. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Sigh I'm having a little time out again since both my laptop and my desktop are broken (what are the odds of that??). --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 14:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Massive ouchness! :) Well, doodle a bit on a piece of paper on your planned designs, so you can do it quickly when you have access to a proper PC, or check out the manuals and look at the missing pages etc. Plan ahead ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== OMG ==

Hey, Leord, what is that long menu that stretches from the sky to the ground in the wiki site? It's quite uncomfortable. I wonder if someone has edited the site without permission. What is happening?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:Server issues, I presume. That huge list is actually the discrete navmenu you see at the top :P It's back to normal for me now.
:Additionally, I noticed this when it was a long list: [http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/Bakmachien/comw.jpg link]. Comw? Trying to navigate to that adress returns nothing, by the way (that could also be the problem: It couldn't find the server and thus exploded the style sheet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::Phew! It's back to normal to me too. Let's hope it doesn't happen again.
::BTW My English is not good enough. I want to ask you: what is the plural of "mage"? is it "magi" or "mages"? --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Either works (ex1: Mages of the Vizjerei clan, ex2: Skin of the Vipermagi). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 22:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Hey guys! Yes, I did not know they were moving the domains this weekend. I would really have wished to be there to help out, but it seems all is working now, anyway. That "comw", is that still occurring? obviously a typo if so...

::::Also; Feel free to use "Mages" or "Magi" as you see fit. "Magi" is really a more "traditional" name, like you would find in old scrolls, and "Mages" is a more commonly used name that the average farmer would use :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Having Fun? ==
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Unique to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Unique
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Uniques to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Uniques 
Creatively acquiring redirects, or what? :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hehe, making redirects without the redirect pages show up in the front page Wiki feed :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::Cleaned up [[special:doubleredirects]]; now it's filled with ''other'' redirects anyhow (which now work properly!) :D Sorry about that. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Cheers, very handy :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::You edit-conflicted me D: I was going to add "Random thought that popped up in my mind: Could the feed be filtered to only show non-minor edits? I've taped down my minor edit button since I don't make major edits often (more convenient to untick the box once every aeon to indicate a major edit than vice versa), so all but one of those edits would be filtered from the feed (it unticked for one edit, somehow). ", but I think I've changed my mind. Oh wait... ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Good point, I have no idea. I do the same thing. Sure, there's an error here or there then, when it IS a bigger edit, but something I can live with. It will be less errors this way. Is this a filter that's possible in a wiki? Otherwise it will be having to wait for a new page we were thinking of creating, listing wiki changes etc.

:::::BTW, we REALLY need to be able to use images without them linking to themselves all the time. Did you know how to fix that? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Well, in RC you can filter out Minor edits with a toggle (add &hideminor=1, or click the button in RC Options, second row). I have no idea how the feed works exactly, though, so I don't know what would and wouldn't work.
::::::As for the images: Do you mean that the images are effectively hyperlinks to the image's page? I've seen a method to make the image link to the current page, but it's irreliable (it doesn't like namespaces much...); I'll ask around to see if there's a simple method that doesn't mess up. Do you want a brute image link disable (i.e. images simple never link), or a case-by-case application? I don't know if the former is possible, but who knows. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Case-by-case was a rather obvious one: [[image:wiki.png|link=|30px]]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::: Testing [[image:wiki.png|link=http://www.diablowiki.net/|30px]]. That's an amazing find! Must have been implemented in the latest upgrade Paul did. I remember trying it out before and it not working. That is bloody awesome! It was exactly what I needed! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

==Bye!==
Leord, thanks for making me feel so welcome during my time here. Due to an unfortunate encounter with Thyiad in the SPF, I won't be returning. Good luck with the wiki. -- 20:20, 29 November 2009 JMJimmy
: Single Player Forum I suppose? From which site? I kind of assume you mean Diii.net, but why? Thyiad is not here on DW, and if you look at the main menu (perhaps you need Ctrl+F5), we've even removed that connection to Diii.net. We're linking all sites that help the wiki on the front page, which Diii.net is included, but we're our own wiki.

: You have been a great help here, and it seems very silly to leave the budding DW community for something happening on another site... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== *cough* ==
[[User_talk:Vipermagi#Java_etc|Severe cold]], sorry *cough* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

==Problem uploading image==
Hey Leord, I recently edited the Legacy of blood page and wanted to upload and image of the book cover however i encountered a problem. I either get: The file has no extension (like ".jpg"). or that i uploaded an empty file. But the file does have an extension (tried .jpg .png and .gif) and there is a file, I've tried several diffrent versions also (various sources including my own copy).Any ideas? --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 15:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:Does the path in the Source field have an extension, and does the Filename have the same extension? Additionally, when you receive an error and use the Back button in your browser, it's best to refresh the page to avoid problems. The wiki software doesn't quite like cached results ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for the reply, Viper! If I was you, Zukker, I'd put in the code in the page first, save it, and then click the red link of the image to upload it. That way it's usually right. Just remember to have the file ending the SAME both for the actual file and in the code, like Viper said. Awesome job so far! :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Ah viper i'll try that. Leord thats exactly what i did and i ran into problems. Alright that didn't work either, the extension is the same and the filename is the same...i'm pondering why this won't work :( --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 18:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Hmm... I just uploaded [[:File:Four pixels of awesome.jpg|this]] image. What extension does the image have? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::It's worked before that's the weird thing. The file is a normal .jpg, but tried both .gif and .png --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 19:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::EDIT: Now it seemed to work...when i manually went to the upload page...awell

::::::Still very weird. Can you send it to my e-mail? Leord at incgamers dot com, and I'll do the same, just to see of there's a difference. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::::On a related note, check out my next topic below this one. I have uploaded a pic, and it works fine, but it refuses to work in the Gallery scripts. WTH?! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:39, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

==Why Doesn't This Work?!==
<gallery>
File:Tyrael portrait.jpg|test
</gallery>
When I re-uploaded it even displayed in a box just like the gallery boxes. I have no clue why it doesn't work! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

:Typo in the image name; Tyreal over Tyrael. Fixed :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:50, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Could you thank me on my talk page? Or just edit it and add a space somewhere, doesn't really matter. Need to test something with the New Messages box :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Cheers (also, good luck with [[User_talk:Vipermagi#Java_etc|the implementation]] :D ) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:51, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, need to ask Rush how to actually put in the java stuff :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

== Finally! ==

Hey what's up people!
I finally got a PC and Internet!!!
Phew! Now I feel like I live in the 21th century. I felt like in the 13th century before i had a PC.

Now my contributions here will be updated faster. Although I will not work on my Diablo 3 projects soon because I have a new project now. It's about the Star Craft universe. I won't disclose more info on this now.

First I'll try to edit my drawings with some programs to make them colored.
Then if I have time I will do something about Fan Monsters.

Man I'm so happy. I still can't believe that I have connection. Yeah, baby!

See ya!

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 17:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

:Ooooh! That's cool. Are you doing fan stuff for the SC community. I happen to also be involved with http://www.starcraftwire.net/ btw :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 02:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

== Any ideas? ==
Hi Leord! Can you please suggest some articles/places which need editing? I need something to do. :P -- 02:26, 23 April 2010 TheWanderer

:I may not be Leord, but: [[Special:WantedPages|Eat your heart out]]. (sidenote: Not all pages can be created atm, due to lack of information) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:15, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

:: Vipermagi, that wanted pages list is what I was working on for the past year. :D To finish the rest, I need to read a few more of those Diablo books. :P Thanks for the reminder though, I'll work on a few redirects. --[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:00, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

::: Well, if you can help us update [[:Category:Characters|Characters]] with a little "[[:Template:Charbox|Charbox]]", like [[Deckard Cain]], that would be a great start. Also, many articles in the wanted list CAN be updated.

::: I know you do a lot of nice updates, but you often forget (perhaps are unsure on how) to properly put in navigation and categories. I suggest looking at other articles of the same type and see how they did it, and also check out [[Help:Structure]], to get an idea of the category overall structure.

::: Not everything there is set in stone, in fact most isn't. If you have good ideas for how to organise certain things, then don't hold back!

::: Another thing we need is really to summarise what we know of [[Act I]] and [[Act II]].

::: At the moment I'm primarily going to work on Diablo II, and do random updates here, so anything is helpful - as always! :)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:21, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Comming Back Soon ==
Hi everybody!

My exam session is about to end soon, so I won't be so busy. I will continue my work on my fan classes and monsters. There is lot to do.

By the way I wish to thank Leord once again for inviting me here. Thank you, man! This is my chance to show my work to the world and I deeply thank to all the people who appreciate my efforts.

All the best! See you soon!

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 11:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, you've done an awesome set of monster, classes etc. Really cool! :) And look at the bottom of the pages, there's THOUSANDS of people who have seen them so far! :D

:Also, I will shortly be updating the navigation box at the bottom a bit, so it's not s obig and bulky, and people can see links to your stuff much more easily. :)

:Good job and great to hear! :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

== Holy fishes ==
I peek back and find.. 1500 spam posts. I don't think blocking the individual accounts will help much; they seem to make an account per post. Semi-blocking account creation (putting the Page Creation right into a usergroup that's only granted to real users by hand) for a few days may or may not help; it would at least stop them from making more pages. I don't think you're going to be able to wait this one out. 
Also, are you going to delete the spam pages, or just leave them there? (just curious) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 10:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:Hey man! Indeed so. We've been spammed. Not 1500, more like a few hundred (280 or so). I have now manually banned them all, I hope no real users were banned in the process. Will start deleting pages now. Rushster was adamant to not have manual confirmation of users, so that's not happening, but he has installed Re-Captcha, and the second that went live, it seemed to stop, so good tidings. This could have gone on for a week if we were unlucky!

:I Don't think you have permissions to delete pages, but if you do, go ahead and help me delete them. :)

: PS, you like the new navboxes? :)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::WOW! I went to do my daily web surf and saw that stack of deleted pages and... just WOW! I'm speechless...
::--[[User:Belushi81x|belushi81x]] 15:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Lol, tell me about it! It's a full day's work just getting rid of the SHITsters. God, I am pissed off at the moment. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::::Yeah, 1500 was a... slight hyperbole :) Good to hear the spambot(s) has (have) been stopped.
::::I cannot delete pages. Way back then you couldn't find the user rights page, and then we derailed the topic I think. Oh well, doing fine without :P
::::Not sure which navboxes you are referring to. Haven't really looked at content pages lately because Blizzard hasn't really released anything (anxiously awaiting BlizzCon), so if you're referring to navboxes on content pages, I haven't seen them yet. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::Well, I [http://diablowiki.net/index.php?title=Special%3AUserRights&user=Vipermagi know how to do it] now, but that means you'd have Admin rights. I trust you, but I don't think we can make you admin, as you're not THAT much in to the whole thing, and we haven't spoken that much... I'll have to discuss with Flux & Elly :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::But you forgot how to link ;) You guys should be able to make another usergroup that only has Delete rights, or anything else really. As for my interest, I still check pretty much every non-fanmade-space edit that pours through the wiki. I'm no good at adding content, though (what, where, how? No idea), so I don't make many edits. With new content comes new typos however, and that's the gist of what I've fixed up around here ^^
::::::So how about those navboxes you mentioned? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Vipermagi

2010-07-09T14:35:57Z

Vipermagi: /* Sand */ update to the prefixindex list so it actually works now, - /sand links (they're in the prefixindex after all

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== Hi ==
I lurk around the wiki (most notably [[special:recentchanges|RC]]), correcting typos, making sure cats don't explode and other similar day-to-day tasks. 
If you ever need help with anything, don't hesitate to ask, I'll do my best to answer correctly. 
Alternatively, bug [[User:Leord|Leord]] with it.

== Sand ==
[http://www.diablowiki.net/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&from=Vipermagi&namespace=2 My prefixindex]. 

Keep-empty-list:
*[[Special:Unusedcategories]]
*[[Special:Unusedimages]]
*[[Special:Unusedtemplates]]
*[[Special:Wantedpages]]
*[[Special:Wantedcategories]]
*[[Special:BrokenRedirects]]
*[[Special:Deadendpages]]
*[[Special:DoubleRedirects]]
**Somewhat related, more info and more "useless" links (other purpose): [[Special:SpecialPages]]

[http://d3db.com/bluetracker/item/19820880401 Bash] linking to 'us' :D

Runestone

2010-07-09T14:33:13Z

Vipermagi: same story

#redirect [[rune]]

User talk:Leord/2

2010-07-06T18:59:53Z

Vipermagi: /* Holy fishes */ I forgot to check back earlier because I'm dumb like that.

User talk:Leord/2

2010-07-06T10:52:41Z

Vipermagi: /* Comming Back Soon */ Still Alive

Great Ocean

2010-04-24T15:35:10Z

Vipermagi: Undo revision. Unnatural trees growing in sand, freshwaters, fishing! Oh my God!

'''Great Ocean''' seems to be a generic name for the oceans surrounding the continents in [[Sanctuary]]. It is not marked in the [[World map]] so its location remains uncertain.

{{stub}}

{{Sanctuary navbox}}

[[Category:Oceans]]

User talk:Leord/2

2010-04-23T14:15:53Z

Vipermagi: /* Any ideas? */

==Welcome 2==
I had to archive my talk page, it was getting too long. Welcome to the new one, feel free to leave any messages at the bottom of the page!

You can find the old one [[User talk:Leord/1|here]]. Please don't edit that one! :P If you want to continue on older topics, make a new one and bring it up like if it was a new one. I brought over a few topics that are a bit recent.

Cheers! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:34, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

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== Appreciation ==
Thank you for the touch-ups you did to the Alchemist page. As an English major, I was in agony over making such a mistake as putting "theirselves". If there are any other problems with the page, please feel free to correct them. I have not had much experience in writing webpages, but I am learning. Also, if you have any ideas, I am very open to imput. I do have a question: Is '''diablowiki.net''' connected to '''diii.net'''? I have noticed that my Alchemist page has appeared there as well, I wanted to make sure they were allowed to do so. -- 21:25, 8 July 2009 [[User:Kire|Kire]]
: You're quite welcome! :) Any edits in the wiki, you can get help in the [[Help|help section]]. As for Talk page comments, you can simply sign them with the press of a key, more info [[Help:Talk|here]].
: Diii.net is running DiabloWiki, but the contribs here does not necessarily have any connections with Diii.net. As for classes, do you mean [http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?t=731429 this one]? Doesn't look like it's the same, other than the name. :) As for "allowed", I am not sure what you mean. It's the internet, and you probably don't have a trademark for Alchemist. ;) Other than that, we don't impose any special user rights other than normal law. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:49, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::For what I can find, anything on this Wiki is completely uncopyrighted, so it's basically right-to-copy.
::Somewhat related is the message above the Summary bar; "(see [[Project:Copyrights]] for details)". Redlink, oops? ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:31, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::I know there are some rights reserved, for legal reasons etc. But over all, it's a pretty open affair :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:41, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::::Thanks again for clearing that up! And I do recognize that people are free to copy and edit anything on the site, so I'm not trying to lay claim to it. Sorry if I sounded like a jealous user -I think I was just shocked to see links to the Alchemist page on other sites so quickly. I need to also thank you for the link you gave me to the forum at Diii.net on Alchemists. I am now in touch with users with similar interests to my own! --[[User:Kire|Kire]] 11:27, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool! Yeah, things I do tend to get popular quick. Great to be back online as well. Been a horrible 2 odd weeks! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Skill template ==
Holidays are boring. 
Do you know approx. what skill pages you've created? I can spend some hours creating pages, since I have little better to do :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 00:02, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:While I possibly have your attention: [[Special:Contributions/AlgetMonco]] → Vandal that dislikes you. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:29, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:: Noticed. He's blocked now. I don't know if that helps. thatnks for keeping my talk page clean. Need to start archiving now as well :P

:: As for the skills, it's pretty easy to see which ones are made by looking at the skill navboxes for the wizard. I am literally doing one tree at the time, going through it from first to last :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:::When I get some free time again (preparing for a LAN weekend atm :) ) I'll start with the Barbarian. *writes a note on his desktop* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:02, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

::::Absolutely awesome. As we finalize these, we'll start making more wiki updates on the front of Diii.net as well. We took a big hit for the downtime, no time to spare to get it back! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:04, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Synnargeez ==
[[Conjured_Health#Synergies]]. CH synergizes with Mirror Image, not the other way around; I figured that header would be for skills that synergize with the skill you're looking at? Makes more sense to me. What's your thoughts on this case? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:24, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:Well, my idea was to have the term "synergy" to basically list all spells that are directly related. I'm using an old term because people are familiar with it. I am fairly certain there will be no "generally synergistic" spells like in Diablo II. You will have the 1 Rank spells (for Wizard) and then the 15 rank Skills. Possibly 2-15 varies between skills, but that basic design. A bit like skills and talents in one tree, talking in WoW terms (I should make an article about that!). --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:What do you think? I am very open for suggestions at this stage :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::I just find listing affected skills on passives a bit redundant, since the direct effect is listed in both Background and Description.
::Also, on skill ranks: Base will be 5 max, and it's possible to get a higher cap (10 and 15) for an X amount of skills (unknown X). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:51, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::We'll see about the base. Most Wizard skills are 15. As for listing, I like it. It's like the official list with all things affecting or affected by it. If someone wants to reference a spell, it's great to have it in a standardised place, if you can't be bothered to look for the link in BG/Description etc. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:58, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::::A Bashiok quote on skill point caps:
:One important addition to this is the skill caps themselves. Currently we're envisioning the majority of skills to be capped at 5 points, to begin with. As a form of progression we're planning for players to be able to increase the point caps of skills. More than likely to a maximum of 15. It's a system that's still under heavy design, but the fact of choosing and increasing key skills beyond their initial cap is important to this new unified tier system.</pre>
::::So, most Wizard skills are actually 5 :P
::::As for the list: Okay. It's not like I'll die over the redundancy :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:25, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool. We'll we will have to update this as we move along. Could you make a short paragraph in the [[skill]]s article about the tier system? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:27, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

==Skill / Skill tree / Tier==
[[Skill#Earlier_Info]] has a link to [[Skill_tree]] which has info on Skill [[tier]]s.

We could either split up Skill tree and Tier into two articles, or keep it on one page. I'm fine with either (leaning slightly towards one page; A lot of small pages tend to be harder to navigate). Pick your poison. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:33, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:I was almost thinking we should include all pages to one, like [[skill]]s and [[skill tree]]s really are very closely related. either that, or a lot more interlinking and some sort of navigation. That page would be pretty long though...
:If we just try to summarize the quotes a bit (since wikipedia and other wikis don't really quote much anyway), it would make the article a lot shorter... What are your thoughts? As it is now, it's definitely a little bit too confusing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:32, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

::Just dumping the info on both pages together would make a huge article, yes, but it would have a ton of redundancy too. The page won't be all that long once you remove all the duplicate information (that's another pro of having 1 page over several: Less repeated info :) ). Then again, when is a page long, and when is it not?
::We could make one page in the userspace or wherever to see how long it'd be after removing all redundancy. It would also be a better page for format testing than the page the site's visitors read ;)
::In the end I'm for one page and redirects to that page (and headers on that page if they work). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:58, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::Oki, I agree. You think you got tome to do it? My next major DW push will be skills again. --17:14, 10 August 2009 Leord

::::I have a lot of Tomes to do stuff ;) Will get to skill pages tomorrow. by the way.
::::[[User:Vipermagi/Skill]] and [[User:Vipermagi/Skill2]]. The first is done (unless there's information missing currently?), the latter is not (yet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:15, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Looks very good. We will implement it a bit later then. :) One thing I didn't understand: What's left to do? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

I have deleted [[skill tree]] and made all info on it available on [[Skill]] instead. It makes more sense, who would look at "skill tree" for that info anyway? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 19:03, 16 September 2009 (CEST)

==Skill table==
[[Power of the Battlemaster]] now just has a bulleted list of it's effect. The header is misleading though, as it promised a table. Ideas? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 11 August 2009 (CEST)

:Yes, that's true. The idea is to have a table there in the future, and a bullet point list is what we do before we have proper info. I'd say we keep the name atm. Just so it fits when it's all "upgraded" properly.

:On a sidenote, don't write <void> on Description. Just write what is known. Look at the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] article, and use that as inspiration. You can always write something. Also, a little blurb at the top of the page is good as well. Just take the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] one, and replace class, skills, and then add a few words at the end of it :) This will also make sure to put the infobox underneath the ad.

:You can also add "(presumed)" for rank 4 and 5 of the skill, like I did with many of the arcane skills. If you have 3 ranks info, then you can probably figure out the other ranks stats. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

==Im back, baby!==

Hey leord, im back... was absent because there werent any juicy news about diablo 3, so i went away... im like a bear, i do my thing during specific times... Anyway i have a few suggestions, then im off to editing some articles and adding new ones...http://www.diablowiki.net/skins/common/images/button_sig.png

A: This wiki needs an IRC channel, hosted on quakenet, if possible, it would be much easier for editors/people to go to the channel, and ask questions there... like how to edit articles, or to report any mistakes that we might have made... please say yes

B: There is no B...

C: No C too...

-- 12:53, 20 August 2009 DxAxxxTyriel

: Hey man, nice to see you! :) At the moment, we don't have a IRC channel, but some sort of chat will come up later on. At the moment, I am mostly in the #StarcraftWire channel on Quakenet! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:54, 20 August 2009 (CEST)

==Monk==
Hey dude, you mind if i do the Monk Class? i saw the Diablo 3 panel and WoW:C panels on Ustream, from a guy who was streaming the Pay-per-view thing.... can i? i have many pictures. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 00:53, 22 August 2009 (CEST)

:Dude! Bloody good job on the Monk! And never ask permission to do anything in the wiki ;) You are always free to do anything (except mupping up content, ofc)! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:19, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

:Thx mate. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 15:56, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

== Meli back.... ==

Hi Leord,

I am back to do updates to both Wizard and Monk, from the large news posts on diii.net which detail the full skill trees. Alot to throw out and alot to add. I will leave all the skill pages that are becoming obsolete for the moment just as they. Might be reuseable when they change skill setup again. Otherwise i am updateing all the related pages and also navigation boxes where needed.

Been fiddling with Witch doctor and Wizard already. Will take 1-2 evenings to get it all done though.

regards, meli --[[User:Melianor|Melianor]] 13:57, 31 August 2009 (CEST)

:Hello Melianor, great to see you! (and the great updates!)

:Yes, we'll keep/make skills of the old skills, but put them in an archive of some sort later on, so don't set any of them for deletion! :) I will join you in editing in a few minutes ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:34, 1 September 2009 (CEST)

== FAQ ==
[[FAQ]] changed ever so slighty. You can reach it's old contents [http://www.diablowiki.net/FAQ&action=edit here]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:25, 3 September 2009 (CEST)

:Weird. I know the /FAQ is some special page in the wiki, not a regular article... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:45, 4 September 2009 (CEST)

:[[Diablo III FAQ]]: this is the actual FAQ. the [[FAQ]] article is some sort of special Wiki thing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:15, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::I know; that's why I linked you to the &edit page, so you could access the old information. I didn't know wether you might wanted to transplant it :> The DIII Faq has the same information, though, so I suppose you don't need it anymore. [[FAQ]] is also unlinked beyond this page, so all is well. Redirecting it didn't work, sadly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:33, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::Yeh, no I think I tried fiddling with it last year, and gave up, adding a new FAQ with another name :) If you find out how to make use of [[FAQ]], don't be shy :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:13, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::::I can tell you no other wiki I visit uses the FAQ page at all (page never created), and none of those have the odd plain text. Since I can't: Maybe try a delete? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:41, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::::It will likely just delete the article I made. The thing is, the site obviously redirects the [[FAQ]] url to some other place than the actual article. I have no idea why. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 20:08, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

== Some Problem... ==
A fan class has been popping up in all the class pages. I removed the links, and think it's just a mistake on the author's path. Maybe some editing is the Class Template page.Please check it out.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 05:47, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

: After LOTS of problems, I fixed it all. I left messages a little bit of everywhere to explain it :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

== New Fanmade Content ==

Hello everyone! 
I am a self-taught artist. I just signed in Diablo Wiki and I still don't know how to operate here. I was invited here by Targetgamer. I have many ideas about Diablo 3 and I have posted them in the Battle.net forums. Targretgamer read them and invited me here. As soon i get used to the tools here I will post my ideas on this site. In the meantime you can see my ideas in the battle.net forums. I have ideas in both Suggestions and Diablo 3 forums. Some people there think that I am a spammer, because my post are too long. I hope that people here will be more patient and read more of my ideas. 
Here are some links 

A proposal for a new duel system in Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18031101457&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior - New class proposition:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550662&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior /Shinobi/ skills:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18313393127&sid=3000

New Monster Propositions with Concept Art for Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=20133925237&sid=3000

Read some of my ideas and maybe post your opinion in the forum.

Hello, its Veskin7 Bukito again. 
I forgot to add the last post. 
View my idea for a new continent meant to be added in Diablo 3 expansion 
Here is the link to the Diablo 3 forum:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550680&sid=3000

Enjoy!

-- Veskin7 Bukito 20:34, 29 September 2009

: OH, awesome! I am actually Targetgamer on Battle.net. It's my old Starcraft nickname, but I go by Leord on most other places.

: First off, general ideas and stuff is hard to add to the wiki, unless they have a popular support. However, stuff like monsters, we can make a page for, that looks like an official monster, but is more like a fan idea. I did this with [[fan class]]es, which has turned out marvellous. So basically, we could make a [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior. Just go to [[Fan class:Dragon Warrior]], where I pasted a standardised text you can help me fill out.

: You have basically everything ready to go, so it will mostly be copy+pasting. The standard text uses Wizard mostly, so you need to replace any Wizard skill names etc with Dragon Warrior skills. Now, if you have any self-made concept art, check out the help page called [[Help:Image]], and add them to the wiki.

: The background of the class needs more breaks, so it's not just one block of text. You need more air in it. Also, since [[Lut Gholein]] etc are real places, and [[Abd al-Hazir]] really exist in the gameworld, you can easily link to them in the wiki! Just check [[Help:Markup]] for how to make links!

: If you need help, myself and others are around. Just post a comment on my talk page, most people follow that. My idea is that when you made a proper [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior, we'll move on to the monsters, and we'll create a system to make fan monsters as well. That way you get a dedicated page with a good design on the biggest Diablo info database, and you can easily link it on Battle.net forums, or other Diablo fan forums.

: It's good if you fiddle around a bit before we start making a new type of page though :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:23, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:: Also! I just thought about that wonderful map you made. I doubt enough other people will make additional world maps to be an actual new section of the wiki, but what you can do is heading over to [http://www.diii.net/ Diii.net], which is the biggest Diablo fansite, and posting it in their [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=503 fan art gallery] and in the forum. I know Bashiok has said he visits the page. Same with the duel system suggestion. You will likely get much better discussion than on Battle.net, where there is a lot of trolls. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:30, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:::'''Thank you!'''
:::Thank you, Leord! I am really happy that you appreciate my effords.
:::My goal is to make Blizzard create the things I've invented or at least get their attention.
:::I will we very grateful if you help me with this.
:::I will be able to edit the Dragon Warrior, but this will happen after some days. I actually am a fan without PC - I have played Blizzard games in internet clubs and I post my stuff from a friend's computer, but I can visit him per two days for just 3 hours a day. That's why I will ask you to edit the page if you don't want to wait for me. You can contact me on my E-mail /listed on my profile/ to receive further information about the Dragon Warrior skills and different skill tree names which I heve not invented yet.
:::I'll be in touch. -- 20:29, 30 September 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

::::Cool man :)

::::I am unfortunately busy doing other things at the wiki, but I did start up the [[Fan class]] program here together with [[Holyknight3000]]. I can help you with technical stuff, but the actual content you need to add yourself. How come you don't have internet? o.O

::::Nice to see you around anyway, and just leave a message here if you have any questions or concerns. If you finish off the Dragon Warrior, I'll make sure to create a nice template for how to make monster after! :)

::::Also, don;t forget to sign your posts. If you are unsure how, check out [[Help:Talk]]. ;)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:43, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::I removed some of your links. Check the [[Talk:Fan class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior talk page]]. Also, I think you should upload the images. Check [[Help:Image]]s for help, or ask me :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

== Diablo3wiki.org ==
Actually I didn't start a new wiki. It was already there. And I already have contributed on that wiki alot. I kinda tried to ressurect it from the dead, but I think that the wiki is a lost cause.
I'll gladly contribute to this wiki. And if you need the help to manage this wiki, you can count me in. I do have some wiki experience(most of it is style related).

:I guess I'll just ask if they can delete/merge diablo3wiki.org --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:20, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

::Awesome! :) I am so happy! We're not that many wiki enthusiasts that also like Diablo, so it seems silly to split the effort. Also, the DiabloWiki.net has roots back to 1998, with old Diabloii.net's info pages. A lot here is on Diablo2.Diablowiki.net, and info has been around for a decade.

::Lots of it needs a facelift though, and lots of D3 info that needs adding :)

::I'd say you should try to get www.diablo3wiki.org changed to redirect to DiabloWiki.net, and then just leave the Diablo 3 wiki on wikia. If anyone else finds it there and start edits, perhaps we can add them to the greater project here as well, like Vipermagi and you!

::I'll start looking through all pages on Diablo3.wikia and try to get anything I can, besides images. Perhaps you can do a second trip to make sure we're not missing out on anything good? Next job here in DiabloWiki will be to update all [[monster]] pages to make sure they all use the [[Boilerplate:Monster|boilerplate]], and also add monsters we have concept art of, but no names. Best to have them in here, and we can just rename them and add some info if Blizz release lore material for it. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:44, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Do you work with Stub categories here? Or is it just search and rescue? If it is the last one I can upload stub templates. It's a bit easier because all still to be edited pages will all be put in one category --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:27, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::There is just one Stub type category here at the moment. If you would like to help out making the art of stubbing more advanced, that sounds like a lovely idea. Make sure to explain any new stuff you make on the [[Help:Stub]] page as well. Easier to tell people what is new with that.

::::I have been meaning to do a stub facelift for ages, but I've not had the chance. Also, Templates in general need to be better categorised etc. You can see my work at structuring the wiki on [[Help:Structure]]. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:31, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::By the way, I looked through the wiki, and added a little info on the [[Deckard Cain]] article, and some other minor things. Good to know we got it covered. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:23, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

==Gameplan==
Uhm maybe it's a smart Idea to copy some templates from wikia. Or at least look if we can use some, or just look for Ideas?? :P --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 17:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:Yeah, sure, for ideas if nothing else. I'd rather look at Wikipedia for guidance, though... My main point here was more the categorisation etc. But feel free to do it however you want.

:As for templates, they are currently working pretty good, we just need to increase more navboxes, and my point was if we should categorise the templates, not so much taking anything from Wikia. :) What do you think? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:25, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::Well catogorizing them should be no problem. Since collecting+updating our wikicontent wouldn't be much of a problem. I'd like to look for new styles. Because the first think I see when I go to main page (it might be just me) is a big mess. Only when I take a better look I find info. So we need to do something about that. If you like I can try making a entire new Mainpage (or entire new skin). Not that this skin is bad, it's good.. in fact it is very good. But it still can be perfected. And I'd like to start helping this wiki by making it easy to read/easy to find/easy to see info. Tell me what you think of it/what your gameplan is. I'd probably tag in on ya --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 18:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Remaking it completely seems like a very big job for something that isn't sure to have a great effect. I know we currently lack good navigation as it is. What would you primarily like to change on the front page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:18, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::For starters? Less links. and maybe lose the how to help and/or the did you know part? That makes it a lot easier to read --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 19:59, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Personally don't mind the HtH/DYK? sections. I do agree on the links-to-text ratio. It's a big brick of links currently. Changing the skill tree lists to a small line or note like the following could work:
<pre>For information on [[character]] [[skills]], check out the following pages:
*[[Barbarian Skills]]
*[[Monk Skills]]
*etc.</pre>
:::::I'd be more inclined to read text than links myself.
:::::On the other hand, I never use the main page (RC is my navigation tool), so I might not be the one to ask for help on organisation ^^" Meh, you guys decide what you want and I'll be fine with it regardless (unless you make it pink or blue). Just spouting ideas around randomly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:08, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::::What about
{|Border=1;width=33%;
|Character classes
|-
|
*[[Barbarian]] ([[Barbarian_skills|skills]])
*[[Monk]] ([[Monk_skills|skills]])
*[[Wizard]] ([[Wizard_skills|skills]])
*[[Witch Doctor]] ([[Witch_Doctor_skills|skills]])
*[[Archivist]] ([[Archivist_skills|skills]])
*[[Other classes|Unanounced Classes]]
|}

Simplicity is the best. And don't forget: The Mainpage is your trademark... If it's F-ed up they think the wiki is F-ed up.
::::::And for creating a new template we can also put that as a side project. When there is nothing to do... God bless boredom --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 20:34, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::There are several advantages with having it there. It's easy navigation if you go there etc. The question is how much it's used. I took the idea from some other big wiki ages past. The thing is, I just got access to the top menus, perhaps we should just put it in there, with dropdowns for stuff, and put something like "How to find info" in the links section, pointing people up to the menu? In the meanwhile, I am going to finish off the last Wizard skills now. You're all very welcome to help out, just check the [[Boilerplate:Skill]] --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::: There is a planned nav box for the left hand side which I was discussing with one of the other admins over the weekend. We were thinking of offering two skins. This one with some tweakage to volume of links and another with the main navigation being on the left, as is standard, both on the main page and within. This would allow us to take even more links off the body and leave that more for features. I agree the 'How to' could be trimmed right back, maybe even just to a small box with "How to help" and some essential links to orientate newcomers.

:::::::: I like the 'Did you know' feature. As long as it has slightly more obscure facts I think people like it. --[[User:Elly|Elly]] 17:54, 5 October 2009 (CEST) 

:::::::::I think a more organized main page would be nice. When you think about it, a lot of the page is everywhere. yes it is organized, but i think a more improved main page would be nice, and whatever template/style you guys choose i think will be fine.--[[User:Holyknight3000|holyknight3000]] 07:24, 6 October 2009 (CEST) 

::::::::::If anyone wants to make some test main pages that are improved that would be helpful -- [[User:Elly|Elly]] 23:35, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

===Plans Right Now===
What we'll do for right now then, I think, is making the new menu changes to the top of the wiki, and see what rush comes up with for the classic skin. When we have that done, we'll see what the front page could need in terms of change.

In the meanwhile, it could be cool to hear suggestion on how to change the "how to help" section, and also perhaps list a good menu structure for the top of the page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:37, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:I just realized I made some notes on that:
:''We need a "Help Out" tab, with links to wanted pages etc, and also to help. Perhaps rename/remove Quick Links.''
:--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:40, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

== Some suggestiond and one idea ==

Hey Leord, how are you?
First I'm going to answer your question on why I have no computer and Internet - the answer is simple - poverty. I am a poor student that gets a scholarship of 60 euro per month. My parents have retired and get some pensions of 150 euro per month each. The money is just not enough to buy a PC. But we don't give up. My brother and I will econcmize money an after six months maybe we'll buy one computer. Until then I'm just gonna sit in Internet clubs.

I have a suggestion about the picture upload. Can you do this?: When you type <add picture> a dialog box appears and allows you to browse your computer and upload the file in the <add picture> location. Is it possible to be programmed? I am pretty sure that it is.

And the idea:

I wandered what to do so the efforts of the fans with the fan classes not to go in vain. And here is what I invented:
Why don't we offer Blizzard to make an entirely new Diablo game called Diablo 3 Fan Edition? It will contain classes and monsters made by fans and there will also be an entirely new continent /Angarock/ for the story of the game, made by fans /me/. The contributing fans may do the beta testing and stuff.

What do you think?

--16:25, 6 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

:Ah, sorry to hear about that, Veskin7 Bukito, and I hope it works out for you and your brother :)

:Yes, it's easy enough to upload images, but you do it slightly different. Check out [[Help:Image]]s. I have written the article to help people adding images. What you do then is almost exactly what you said. :)

:Fan classes, fan art, fan fiction and all things created by fans will never be done in vain. It's an integral part of the community, and it's the kind of stuff Blizzard takes inspiration from when they create thing in the game. We can definitely ask them to make these classes in some special edition, but the primary reason we put them here is to tantalize and be fun for the community. The development time to even make ONE of these fan classes to a real hero is pretty big, and they would not do it unless they felt enough thousands of people would buy in to it.

:They generally don't take entire ideas by people for their content, but are ''inspired''. However, if the fan classes by fans are added here, they will be left on the internet permanently, and perhaps inspiring Blizzard in upcoming expansions or perhaps Diablo 4 some time in 10 years. :) The whole reason I started encouraging fans to add their work here is so that it should not have been done in vain. It will always be here, available for fans and Blizzard alike.

:Never think all your work is in vain! You have shown that you have an open and active imagination, and is capable of writing. Perhaps your ideas will inspire Blizzard, perhaps not, but it's not that important, because you can create more!

:Perhaps you should consider trying to write fan fiction based on [[Sanctuary]], and the official world, or some short story about one of the countries in your Angarock continent? Either way, I think you should concentrate on making it as nice and detailed as possible, and available on DiabloWiki, so you can link it to people in the community or perhaps to friends on MSN etc. :) Give it a proper home, and make sure it's very nice and polished. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:41, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:Re, image idea: It ''may'' possible, but it takes a lot of time to make it work without bugging up, and we'd need to find someone extremely skilled and willing. We're better off directing people to [[special:upload]]/[[help:Image]]. An image needs it's own page, so the script will have to:
:* Recognise the <add image> 'tag'
:* Pop up a window that only looks for .jpegs/etc. by default
:* Pop a window that asks for the page name*
:* Check if the name isn't taken**
:* Upload the image under the chosen name
:** Possibly add proper tags/categories
:* Replace <add picture> with the proper link.
: *= If everyone uploads images without a descriptive name, it's hard to discern one from another. This also causes naming conflicts; When an image is uploaded to a name that is already used, it will override/remove the old image. This can be reverted, but it's a hassle.
: **=An image database is usually not fully up to date. The wiki software is hardcoded to flush the lists (i.e. update) once a day. Since the list is most likely not up to date, it's possible the script doesn't notice an image name is taken, and thus uploads the image over the old image.
:Additionally, the script will slow down page loading somewhat, which is more often than not unnecessary. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:01, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

::Aha, now I understand :) Now we're not going to add such a script. Perhaps later, when other critical; things are fixed. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:24, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Writing such a script shouldn't be such a problem. But Viper is right what we need are a few people that script for this wiki. We have enough people to add the content (for the moment). I don't know if any1 here has acces to the scripts? But the person that you want to add those scripts should have it. And also Leord, if u want me to redesign some of the wiki parts (like the mainpage) maybe you should give me some rights as well?
:::The scripting: I think we should wait a bit with that. Untill we have the correct style and everything
:::P.S; the reason I don't react that often/update content atm is because I am a bit busy with school.. Will change in a couple of days --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:52, 7 October 2009 (CEST)
::::edit: I'd also like to see a few functions on this wiki but like Leord said we first need to do the primary things and then think about the secondary things --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:55, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Awesome. As for the script specifically, I just can't see the need for it, and creating a new possible way for hackers to try and gain access to the site (yes, we're often under attack) isn't a positive either. Not saying anyone here would fail at the scripting, just saying the more ways there are to upload stuff or do ANYTHING on the server, the more possible security holes appear.

:::::Good to know we'll see more of you soon, fighter :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:41, 8 October 2009 (CEST)

== Let's do it! ==

Hey, Leord!
The page of the Dragon Warrior is almost complete. I only have to add some skills and the pictures.

BTW can we proceed with creating Fan Monsters page?

And one more question: Do I create a new topic in the Battle.net forums called "Diablo 3 Fan Edition" and describe the idea and add links? I suggest there should be a vote for different classes, so Blizzard pick and create the best, and also a vote for creating Angarock. When I have more time, I will describe the idea thoroughly. -- 20:19, 11 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

: Hello!
: First off, you need to sign your talk page posts. Check out [[Help:Talk]] on how to do that :)
: Secondly, I want you to understand that you will likely not get a great strong reaction from asking people about this, other than admiration from doing a great job. Most likely, Blizzard will not create new classes or continents 100% based on fan input. Among reasons include the legal one: If they would take your world, they would have to pay you copyright money. So. Instead, they will *possibly* take some inspiration from you, and other fan artists, and make their own stuff.
: So, I really like the Fan Monster idea, and I'll get on it later today probably, but it will be hard to get Blizzard to use material created by fans.
: Having said that, it would be really cool with a fan class contest! Like, people make Fan Classes on DW.net, and we decide a winner. Then, hopefully, Blizzard takes note of it, and perhaps incorporate some of those ideas in the game later on! However, it would be cool with some sort of prize then... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:52, 12 October 2009 (CEST)

== The Aurian Mage project ==
Hello, Leord. 
I have been working on a new Fan class called Aurian Mage. I invented more than 30 skills for one night and the class is almost ready. 
Can you please create a sample fan class page called Fan Class:Aurian Mage and add link to the fan classs category, just like you did with the Dragon Warrior?

Thank you.

Veskin7 Bukito 15 October 2009

:Awesome! Oki, I created the [[Fan class:Aurian Mage|Aurian Mage]], and it's ready to go. Just remember to make a sub-page for any links you create, like on the [[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior]]. Meaning a <nowiki>[[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior/Skill Tree 1]]</nowiki> for example. :) Mind you, I have added it to the Fan class category, but it's not visible in the navigation box until you're done. I'll make it visible as soon as you added your info :)

:Also, you can easily make name + time stamp on any talk page posts you make by adding "<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>" at the end. When you press submit, the site recognises that string and replaces it with name + time + date :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:58, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

::Another thing. When you're done, don't forget to make a post on Battle.net about it. I'll help you bump the thread there if you give me the url ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:59, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==New Page==
Can you please create a new page solely for linking to official trailers? I'm not sure how to do this. What I do is to create a link to that page, it shows up red and I edit it.:)--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

P.S. I'm working on Dead end pages and Orphaned pages.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

:Oh! Awesome! That is sweeeheet! Check out [[Help:New_article]] that I wrote :) Basically, you'll probably feel silly for not thinking of it yourself ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:03, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==Copy from D2 Wiki?==
I noticed that DW doesn't have some basic pages like [[Andariel]], but these are there in D2wiki. Can I just copy the revelant info or should I stick solely to the info released by Blizzard?--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:32, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

:Stick to info released by blizzard. Things may have changed. Also most of the info on this week needs to be confirmed so u can't copy/paste from D2W --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:51, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::Hmm, don't know. I'd say they would keep information/Lore canon; she won't suddenly be a male horned demon :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:13, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::You can use any source anywhere, as long as any speculation is clearly stated as speculation. Sources from D2W are pretty reliable, so go ahead. Do link the source in the references section though! Also, if something is debated to be true or not, make sure to point that out as well.

::In general, D2W is free to just copy. What you can do in addition to that is to check out what pages link to a certain D2W page, and change the link to a D3W page, or link to D3W for the lore. Just use [[Template:Iw]] (<nowiki>{{iw|Article_name Article name}}</nowiki> - will look like this: {{iw|Andariel Andariel}}. Since we'll keep the D3W more up to date on lore etc.

::Also, don't forget to link back to the D2W page for stats etc --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:14, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

::@Vipermagi: Blizzard has a habbit changing some parts of the lore so it would be easier for them to create "New" Things. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:47, 20 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Yes, that's why I made the [[retcon]] article ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:18, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

==Destruction of information==
You seem to have made your previous talk page disappear entirely (as in, not even an archive). Was this your intention? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:50, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

:With the new German wiki incoming, I accidentally deleted pages as I thought the wikis had been separated (try http://de.diablowiki.net/ which works, but is the same database as www). Restored it now, but lost history I think... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:05, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

::History is still there :> I initially thought you archived by deletion, to be honest. All's well and good again, anyhow :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:58, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

== About Fan Monsters ==

Hey, Leord, I have two questions about Fan Monsters:

1/ Is it possible to accept my form of monster description /the one shown in the battle.net forum/?

Here it is:

CLASS -Specify monster class - often met, rarely met, weak, tough, very tough, miniboss, boss or whatever else class you wish.

APPEARANCE - Describe how the monster looks - colours and other specific things.

SIZE - Specify the size of the monster - height/lenght and other specific things.

DESCRIPTION, BEHAVIOUR AND SKILLS - Describe the monster's behaviour, where is it met and its skills one by one.

SOUNDS - describe what sounds does your creature make.

DEATH - describe how exactly does your monster die.

ITEMS DROPPED - describe what kind of items does your monster drop when killed.

EXPERIENCE - say how much experience does your monster give when killed - few, medium, lots or whatever else you say.

2/ I think there is a mistake in your example when you tell us how to create a new fan monster in the [[Fan monster]]s category. You said that we should just type the name of the monster like http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_class:Banana_Hammock . Maybe it should be

http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_monster:Banana_Hammock ?

I just wandered if you made a mistake... Am I right?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 01:06, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

::Heya!

::'''First off:''' The idea was to make the monster articles look similar to the REAL monster articles. Like for the [[skeleton]] etc. You can make the fan monster any way you want, but I would recommend just copying [[Boilerplate:Monster/copy]], and using that as a template. If you need instructions on how to use it, check out [[Boilerplate:Monster]].

::Most of the headlines you mentioned, you can put as sub-headlines to the '''"Diablo II Monster"''' headline.

::'''Secondly:''' Yes, that was a typo, I corrected it :)

::-- 11:09, 26 October 2009 [[Leord]]

== Fan Monsters Got Started ==
Hey, Leord, I just uploaded the first fan monster. Check out the [[Fan monster:Death Claw]]. Now you can update the Fan monster category by making a category box like the fan class category. I also found a solution about my form of monster description - I added the Death Claw Detailed Description in which I describe the monster my way. See if you can edit something in the Death Claw page...

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:29, 28 October 2009 (CET)

:Hehe, it's actually the SECOND monster. You were beaten by the [[Fan monster:Brutal Beast|Brutal Beast]] by a few days ;)

:Anyway, I have added your article to the navigation, and I cleaned it up a bit, removing sections, and hiding some. Remember to use the "copy" version instead of the main boilerplate. The copy version has everything ready to go, and sections not often used are hidden.

:Other than that, looking mighty fine! :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:09, 29 October 2009 (CET)

==New Search==
Nice shiny new search bar! I like it! Works loads better. I left a message for you on my talk page.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 23:56, 2 November 2009 (CET)

== Finally!!! ==
I have some spare time now.. So... Do you have any technical problems/issues/whatever you want fixed or technical things created? Want me to start making a new layout for the frontpage? Want me to create new templates etc. etc. Give me some orders and I'll check if possible then get it done if possible ;). I'll check your page tomorrow again. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:52, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:Why start later?
:Using: [[Template:The_Key_header]] as an example. Wouldn't it be smarter to catogorize it in [[Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header]] so it would show up as Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header in RC that would make it clear about who is deleting/editing what.
::P.S: This site's lay out is <s>f*cked</s> --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:01, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:::If you put the template in (Main:)Fanmade/, you would need to use <nowiki>{{Fanmade/Template:The_Key_Header}}</nowiki> to insert it on pages. That's obscure and weird if you ask me :P It's also moved out of the Template: namespace that way. Doesn't matter too much, but usually when looking for templates used in actual articles, you look in the Template: [[Special:Prefixindex|prefix-index]], rather than that of non-existant articles ([[Fanmade]] does not exist (yet)). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:57, 9 November 2009 (CET)

:::Awesome! Nice to see you having more spare time. :) The [[Main Page]] is of course a quite sensitive topic, as it's just about the most important page on the wiki. If you have design ideas, just whip up a really simple sketch in paint or the like, and upload it for us all to see. What I'm saying it it's needs to be an open debate, so don;t spend too much time on any one idea before talking to the rest of us for input. :)

:::As Vipermagi points out, it would break the regular prefixes to use slashes in the name for templates. I know the categorisation of templates could use some work, but we're probably not going to change things too much. Also, we're likely not adding Fanmade or other prefix at the moment.

:::I'd very much appreciate if you were a little bit more specific with feedback if there is something (like the layout) that is to your disliking. Is there something actually bugged, or is it a general layout choice you dislike?

:::There's plenty of other things you can do that doesn't require input from the rest of us though! There are several monsters in the [http://www.diii.net/gallery Diii.net's gallery] that don't have their own monster pages for instance. Many of the current monsters and skills need pictures. We need to add more lore entries from the [[Diablo I Manual]], [[Diablo II Manual]], [[Diablo II: Lord of Destruction Manual]] etc. The [[Timeline]] can be filled out with mroe entries from current lore. We have [[:Category:Factions|factions]], and [[:Category:Ethnic groups|ethnic groups]] etc, that really need to have a bit more clear category structure, and navbox etc.

:::I have just updated the menus of the wiki, so you can now find almost anything you want directly from the menu. Please help with feedback on whatever could be useful. Also, let's continue to discuss the new main page, but lets not lose focus on making the wiki's *content* the best on the net as well :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:14, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::::With layout I mean de links on the navigation boxes and stuff :P. Anyways I'll start with making a new lay out in paint. And I'll create a discussion topic for it. After that I'll check out the diablo II lore because I got the manuals here. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 10:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== D2 barb skills ==

I just finished doing images for the major barb skills ;) When you have some free time, check them out and tell me what you think!
--[[User:DoomBoy|Doomboy]] 5:15pm, November 8, 2009 (PST)

:Oh man, that is fantastic! I love it, the pages look so much more alive now! Is the Monk skills next? :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:37, 9 November 2009 (CET)

== Tomb Viper ==
Do you mind if I work on a wiki for the tomb viper? What kind of creature is it? Animal or Demon?
--[[User:Butch Audacity|Butch Audacity]] 10:44 PM, Nov 8, 2009

:No, go right ahead! :) Is that a real monster from the videos, or one you have invented? If it's a real monster, just class it as Demon, I think. There's no proper classification yet, so just go with what is most likely :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:55, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::The Tomb Vipers are from the Blizzcon 2009 Demo. I tried making a page for the Tomb Vipers and I wasn't allowed to. Any suggestions? -- 04:16, 10 November 2009 Butch Audacity

:::[[Tomb Vipers]]. I added it for you, but it's very easy to create [[Help:New_article|new articles]]. Also, it's great if you sign your posts on talk pages. I think you have in the past, so I might just be rude and point it out, but if you feel unsure, check out [[Help:Talk]]. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== New Fan Monsters Added ==

Hey, Leord, how are you doing?
I have added three more monsters to the fan monster category: [[Fan monster:Black Hand Mage|Black Hand Mage]], [[Fan monster:Dark Venom|Dark Venom]] and [[Fan monster:Desert Cyclops|Desert Cyclops]].

See if there is something to edit on them and you can add them to the fan monster navbox.

What are you doing these days? Let's chat.

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 22:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey! I completely forgot to reply to this. eithe myself or someone else added your monsters to the navbox in either way. I'm fine thanks, doing work on the wiki and whatnot :) Yourself? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Well I'm fine. Now I busy myself with some fan monsters and my newest project - a joke monster called Golden Pepper. This pepper is a special one - if you eat it, you will recieve a rare or unique item. Will add it as soon as I draw the picture.

::In the meantime I'm still waiting for Holyknight3000 to put colors to some of my pictures.

::And in the university I study in - The Ecology is fine. Now we are pretty close to exam session. Must study and write course projects.

::P.S.

::Yes it was me who added the new monsters to the navbox, now that I know how to do it, I will not bother you.
::I will soon contact you for creating some new articles - "Fan Items" and "Fan characters and NPCs". But still not ready for these. --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== .uuuhm ==
While Looking at the site (The navboxes in particular). I realised that this site could use some changes. So what I wanna do is the following:
*Create a new Front page (Naming it something like /NewMainpage (can be deleted after I'm done).
*Redesigning navboxes (naming the templates with things like /NpcNavbox2 and putting them on 1 page).
*Let people think and consider if they want the old designs or the new designs.

Tell me what you think and if you're okay with it I'll start with the proces. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, I forgot to reply to you too :)

:First off, always create test pages on your user page, like <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Main_Page]]</nowiki>. Good idea is also to link to it from your user page so you don't forget that it exists. :) Secondly, I'm not really looking to make a main page overhaul, unless you have something spectacular in mind. This is why I thought just doing a quick sketch in MS Paint or whatever to let me get an idea of where you were going was smart. Other than that, It's really only "Key Pages" that's planned to be changed now when most articles are presented in the top menus.

:Navboxes are really meant to be properly redesigned using both parsing and some simple java scripts, so we can use "tabs" and the like. I'm not sure spending time on a redesign in the interim is a project well spent time on. Same there though, if you have an idea that makes tabbing of navigation obsolete, I'd love to hear/see it. Make a <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Navbox]]</nowiki> page so we can see what you're thinking.

:What we REALLY need though is improving lore pages. Regardless of if you know much about Diablo lore or not, it's usually not somethign that is required. Just open one of the manuals, look at a section, make sure any relevant words are linked up, and that any of those links include the info of that section. almost always there's a lot to add, be it new characters, locations or the like. You can also check the [[http://www.diablowiki.net/Special:Wantedpages Wantedpages]], and add articles that way.

:A second thing we really need is images. Loads of pages, like [[Lut Gholein]] could use mroe descriptive imagery, and especially the [[skill]]s. All skills should have at least one image on them each.

:So, basically, show us your ideas before you start spending loads of time into coding a main page or a new navbox, and let everyone comment on it, then go. In the meanwhile, there's loads of other work needing to be done in the wiki that is just as important. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Sigh I'm having a little time out again since both my laptop and my desktop are broken (what are the odds of that??). --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 14:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Massive ouchness! :) Well, doodle a bit on a piece of paper on your planned designs, so you can do it quickly when you have access to a proper PC, or check out the manuals and look at the missing pages etc. Plan ahead ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== OMG ==

Hey, Leord, what is that long menu that stretches from the sky to the ground in the wiki site? It's quite uncomfortable. I wonder if someone has edited the site without permission. What is happening?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:Server issues, I presume. That huge list is actually the discrete navmenu you see at the top :P It's back to normal for me now.
:Additionally, I noticed this when it was a long list: [http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/Bakmachien/comw.jpg link]. Comw? Trying to navigate to that adress returns nothing, by the way (that could also be the problem: It couldn't find the server and thus exploded the style sheet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::Phew! It's back to normal to me too. Let's hope it doesn't happen again.
::BTW My English is not good enough. I want to ask you: what is the plural of "mage"? is it "magi" or "mages"? --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Either works (ex1: Mages of the Vizjerei clan, ex2: Skin of the Vipermagi). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 22:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Hey guys! Yes, I did not know they were moving the domains this weekend. I would really have wished to be there to help out, but it seems all is working now, anyway. That "comw", is that still occurring? obviously a typo if so...

::::Also; Feel free to use "Mages" or "Magi" as you see fit. "Magi" is really a more "traditional" name, like you would find in old scrolls, and "Mages" is a more commonly used name that the average farmer would use :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Having Fun? ==
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Unique to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Unique
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Uniques to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Uniques 
Creatively acquiring redirects, or what? :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hehe, making redirects without the redirect pages show up in the front page Wiki feed :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::Cleaned up [[special:doubleredirects]]; now it's filled with ''other'' redirects anyhow (which now work properly!) :D Sorry about that. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Cheers, very handy :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::You edit-conflicted me D: I was going to add "Random thought that popped up in my mind: Could the feed be filtered to only show non-minor edits? I've taped down my minor edit button since I don't make major edits often (more convenient to untick the box once every aeon to indicate a major edit than vice versa), so all but one of those edits would be filtered from the feed (it unticked for one edit, somehow). ", but I think I've changed my mind. Oh wait... ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Good point, I have no idea. I do the same thing. Sure, there's an error here or there then, when it IS a bigger edit, but something I can live with. It will be less errors this way. Is this a filter that's possible in a wiki? Otherwise it will be having to wait for a new page we were thinking of creating, listing wiki changes etc.

:::::BTW, we REALLY need to be able to use images without them linking to themselves all the time. Did you know how to fix that? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Well, in RC you can filter out Minor edits with a toggle (add &hideminor=1, or click the button in RC Options, second row). I have no idea how the feed works exactly, though, so I don't know what would and wouldn't work.
::::::As for the images: Do you mean that the images are effectively hyperlinks to the image's page? I've seen a method to make the image link to the current page, but it's irreliable (it doesn't like namespaces much...); I'll ask around to see if there's a simple method that doesn't mess up. Do you want a brute image link disable (i.e. images simple never link), or a case-by-case application? I don't know if the former is possible, but who knows. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Case-by-case was a rather obvious one: [[image:wiki.png|link=|30px]]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::: Testing [[image:wiki.png|link=http://www.diablowiki.net/|30px]]. That's an amazing find! Must have been implemented in the latest upgrade Paul did. I remember trying it out before and it not working. That is bloody awesome! It was exactly what I needed! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

==Bye!==
Leord, thanks for making me feel so welcome during my time here. Due to an unfortunate encounter with Thyiad in the SPF, I won't be returning. Good luck with the wiki. -- 20:20, 29 November 2009 JMJimmy
: Single Player Forum I suppose? From which site? I kind of assume you mean Diii.net, but why? Thyiad is not here on DW, and if you look at the main menu (perhaps you need Ctrl+F5), we've even removed that connection to Diii.net. We're linking all sites that help the wiki on the front page, which Diii.net is included, but we're our own wiki.

: You have been a great help here, and it seems very silly to leave the budding DW community for something happening on another site... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== *cough* ==
[[User_talk:Vipermagi#Java_etc|Severe cold]], sorry *cough* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

==Problem uploading image==
Hey Leord, I recently edited the Legacy of blood page and wanted to upload and image of the book cover however i encountered a problem. I either get: The file has no extension (like ".jpg"). or that i uploaded an empty file. But the file does have an extension (tried .jpg .png and .gif) and there is a file, I've tried several diffrent versions also (various sources including my own copy).Any ideas? --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 15:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:Does the path in the Source field have an extension, and does the Filename have the same extension? Additionally, when you receive an error and use the Back button in your browser, it's best to refresh the page to avoid problems. The wiki software doesn't quite like cached results ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for the reply, Viper! If I was you, Zukker, I'd put in the code in the page first, save it, and then click the red link of the image to upload it. That way it's usually right. Just remember to have the file ending the SAME both for the actual file and in the code, like Viper said. Awesome job so far! :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Ah viper i'll try that. Leord thats exactly what i did and i ran into problems. Alright that didn't work either, the extension is the same and the filename is the same...i'm pondering why this won't work :( --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 18:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Hmm... I just uploaded [[:File:Four pixels of awesome.jpg|this]] image. What extension does the image have? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::It's worked before that's the weird thing. The file is a normal .jpg, but tried both .gif and .png --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 19:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::EDIT: Now it seemed to work...when i manually went to the upload page...awell

::::::Still very weird. Can you send it to my e-mail? Leord at incgamers dot com, and I'll do the same, just to see of there's a difference. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::::On a related note, check out my next topic below this one. I have uploaded a pic, and it works fine, but it refuses to work in the Gallery scripts. WTH?! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:39, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

==Why Doesn't This Work?!==
<gallery>
File:Tyrael portrait.jpg|test
</gallery>
When I re-uploaded it even displayed in a box just like the gallery boxes. I have no clue why it doesn't work! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

:Typo in the image name; Tyreal over Tyrael. Fixed :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:50, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Could you thank me on my talk page? Or just edit it and add a space somewhere, doesn't really matter. Need to test something with the New Messages box :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Cheers (also, good luck with [[User_talk:Vipermagi#Java_etc|the implementation]] :D ) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:51, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, need to ask Rush how to actually put in the java stuff :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

== Finally! ==

Hey what's up people!
I finally got a PC and Internet!!!
Phew! Now I feel like I live in the 21th century. I felt like in the 13th century before i had a PC.

Now my contributions here will be updated faster. Although I will not work on my Diablo 3 projects soon because I have a new project now. It's about the Star Craft universe. I won't disclose more info on this now.

First I'll try to edit my drawings with some programs to make them colored.
Then if I have time I will do something about Fan Monsters.

Man I'm so happy. I still can't believe that I have connection. Yeah, baby!

See ya!

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 17:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

:Ooooh! That's cool. Are you doing fan stuff for the SC community. I happen to also be involved with http://www.starcraftwire.net/ btw :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 02:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

== Any ideas? ==
Hi Leord! Can you please suggest some articles/places which need editing? I need something to do. :P

:I may not be Leord, but: [[Special:WantedPages|Eat your heart out]]. (sidenote: Not all pages can be created atm, due to lack of information) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:15, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

The Meteor

2010-04-14T19:08:25Z

Vipermagi: /* Cain and Leah */

The mystical '''meteor''' seen in the [[WWI 2008]] intro [[cinematic]] is obviously important to [[Diablo 3]]'s story line, but the purpose of it, or what it is, remains unknown.

==Meteor==
[[Image:Meteor2.jpg|thumb|400px|The infamous meteor sailing towards [[Tristram Cathedral]].]]In the [[Diablo 3]] [[cinematic]] trailer from [[WWI 2008]] we get to see glimpses of what is happening twenty years after the destruction of the [[Worldstone]] and the defeat of the [[Prime Evils]]. A blazing meteor is seen falling across the sky, crashing down into the [[Tristram Cathedral]].

We know from the cinematic and other art that [[Leah]] and [[Deckard Cain]] were at the cathedral at the time the meteor struck, crashing through many levels down into the catacombs below. Blizzard has said the catacombs we see here are essentially the same ones we visited in [[Diablo I]], where [[Diablo]] himself was once defeated.

In the [[BlizzCon 2008]] playable demo, [[Captain Rumford]] says a meteor had struck the cathedral and it has awakened evil within. He asks you to investigate. This awakened evil turns out to be [[King Leoric]], or possibly something deep underneath, where the demo characters were not able to proceed to. If this will be the same in the full game is unknown.

===Cinematic Meteor Event===
This is the sequence in which the [[cinematic movie]] from [[WWI 2008]] depicts the meteor:
<gallery>
Image:Meteor1.jpg|Meteor across the horizon.
Image:Meteor2.jpg|Comes tumbling down...
Image:meteor-med2.jpg|And down...
Image:meteor-med4.jpg|[[New Tristram]] Cathedral.
Image:Meteor3.jpg|Light from meteor shines in.
Image:meteor-med6.jpg|Crashes through the roof...
Image:Meteor4.jpg|Impacts in [[Tristram Cathedral]].
Image:meteor-med7.jpg|Great bang ensues.
Image:Meteor5.jpg|Possibly a view of the crater left by the meteor.
Image:diablo-cinematic.jpg|[[Diablo]] behind it?
</gallery>

==Speculation==
What the meteor actually contains is unknown. The only things fans have been able to speculate about are information given in the [http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/ concept art].

It is of course possible the flaming stone is just some spirit from above that resurrects [[Leoric]], but knowing Blizzard's intricate story lines, it's likely something much greater than just the Skeleton King.

===Fallen Angel===
The most popular line of thought is that the comet in fact is an [[Angel]], or even an [[Archangel]] expelled from the [[High Heavens]] for unknown reasons and that hitting [[Tristram Cathedral]] is either a sign to call the hero characters there, or random chance. The reason for this line of belief is the concept art with angel-like appearance. The two most popular candidates are [[Tyrael]] and [[Izual]].

These are the concept art pieces that have been speculated to be related:
<gallery>
Image:Cain cinematic concept.jpg|Was [[Cain]] originally supposed to be in the Cathedral, or was he just not visible in the cinematic?
Image:Tristram meteor impact.jpg|Meteor impacts, but does not hurt [[Leah]].
Image:Tristram meteor crater.jpg|Presumably [[Leah]] looks down the crater.
Image:Angel concept1.jpg|Some [[Angel]]-type entity doing something involving fireing up his wings...
Image:Tyreal_bare.jpg|[[Tyrael]] on [[Diablo3.com]] changed wing-look on Dec 10 2008, is this related to the left image?
Image:Angel concept2.jpg|Entity with angel-like orange "wings" standing in a bastion of sorts. Wears helmet with horns, or has horns.
Image:Angel concept3.jpg|Looks a lot like the previous Angel in the tower, has a helmet with horns/wings, and apparently turns to fire/light. [[Tyrael]] has no such helmet normally.
</gallery>

===Cain and Leah===
It seems like [[Deckard Cain]] is sitting furthest in to the Cathedral, noticing the light from the meteor shortly before impact, and [[Leah]] running in to try and save him or something like that.

We know Cain has spent the last 20 years trying to find out why there has not been a [[demon]]ic onslaught after the [[Worldstone]] was destroyed, and either all that research has been done in [[Tristram Cathedral]], or they just recently arrived there.

From [[Abd al-Hazir]]'s entry about [[Writings of Abd al-Hazir: Entry no. 0020|Gnarled Walkers]], we know [[Wortham]] is close to [[Tristram]], and at one point, Leah was there with her [[Pablo DeSoto|father]]. This could have been either before she met up with Cain or a brief trip to Wortham with her father during the research.

We do know Cain and Leah know of and care for each other, as the [[WWI 2008]] gameplay video has the [[Barbarian]] telling Cain that Leah is worried about him.

If nothing else, the two are both obviously surprised when the meteor comes rushing down, so it's an item that appeared unexpectedly.

==Media==
You can find pictures in the Diablo 3 screenshot and picture gallery:
* [http://www.diii.net/gallery/ Diablo 3 screenshots and pictures]
* [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=all&si=meteor Meteor-specific gallery contents]

==Meteor Terms==
A meteoroid is a sand- to boulder-sized particle of debris in the Solar System. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor] The visible path of a meteoroid that enters Earth's (or another body's) atmosphere is called a ''meteor'', or colloquially a ''shooting star'' or ''falling star''. If a meteor reaches the ground and survives impact, then it is called a ''meteorite''. Many meteors appearing seconds or minutes apart are called a ''meteor shower''. The root word meteor comes from the Greek meteōros, meaning "high in the air".

==Reference==
* [http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/media/#movies Diablo III Cinematic Trailer]
* Blizzcon 2008 Hands-on Playable Demo
* [[Captain_Rumford|Captain Rumford Quest]]

[[Category:Lore]]
[[Category:Objects]]
[[Category:Artefacts]]
[[Category:Act I]]
[[Category:Story]]

Diablo Novels

2010-04-11T16:06:32Z

Vipermagi: double redirect

#REDIRECT [[Diablo novel]]

Template talk:Modbox

2010-03-23T20:48:51Z

Vipermagi: Chaotically ordered.

You don't correct the info in the boilerplate, you correct it on the wiki page! Silly rabbit... -_-'

multiplayer= Can you play this mod in multiplayer? Yes/No. 
What exactly does this mean?
As far as D2 goes, the only way to ''disable'' multiplayer is by editing the code, and (assuming you're talking about TCP/IP) I don't know of any mod that does that.

download= Download url. 
Link to a mirror page, good enough?

:Download: [http://modsbylaz.hugelaser.com/download.html This] is what I would use.
:Need that last edit reverted, or? I guess a filled-out template is a little easier to edit, but might also be confusing. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Flux

2010-03-14T10:47:22Z

Vipermagi: /* Mods section */ Ah, the memories.

==Greetings==
Hello! =) I just wanted to make a comment here, so your talk page doesn't appear red in the "recent changes" page ;) If you want to make a reply, make sure to sign your comments (if you need help with that: [[Help:Talk]]) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:22, 23 October 2008 (CEST)

==What's 3 "M"s????==
So... What's with the extra "M" you added onto the "MMORPG" article???
--[[User:belushi81x|belushi81x]] 17:05, 25 Dec 2008 (CEST)

: He apparently saw it and fixed it =) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:42, 27 December 2008 (CET)

Yeah, typos happen. Sometimes even in page titles. Anyone is welcome to fix minor errors like that; you don't need to message admins or the page creator in such instances. -- Flux

== A small question... ==

How to have an internal link going to a category? i wanna make a link to the Jewelry Category, but i cant, because if i specify category, it sends the word jewelry to the categories at the bottom of the article. and if i dont specify its a category, then it links to Jewelry article, and that doesnt exist... please help. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 11:08, 4 April 2009 (CEST)

:put a : in front of the name, inside the brackets, and it will not make that a link to the category. Add the "pipe trick" like you do with any other link.

:Example:

:* <nowiki>[[:category:items|Click to see the Items Category]]</nowiki>
:** [[:category:items|Click to see the Items Category]]

:Leord and I have had "add a bunch of basic wiki tips and tricks to the help page" on our to-do list forever, but there always seems to be something more pressing. Wikipedia.org has exhaustive help pages, but they're so long that it's hard to find what you want. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet cheat sheet] is useful -- someday I've got to learn how to do footnotes properly. *cough* -[[User:Flux|Flux]] 12:22, 5 April 2009 (CEST)

:: Thx mate... And is it possible 2 rename articles? 2 articles need to be renamed, nothing serious, just so it they are Correctly Written... with caps in the right spots...

:::yeah, mention them here or email me or leord or you can post them in the [http://forums.diii.net/forumdisplay.php?f=127 wiki support forum].

::::It's generally helpful to make redirect pages for caps or non-caps, since the wiki search engine is so stupid about case sensitivity. I've taken to mostly doing categories and page names in lowercase, just so I don't have to try to remember which ones are caps and which are not. Also note that one word page names are not case sensitive; monsters = Monsters, since the first word in a title gets capitalized automatically by the page title. -[[User:Flux|Flux]] 12:32, 5 April 2009 (CEST)

::::: Critical hits should be Critical Hits.... agreed?

::::::I suppose so, but it's not something I'd worry about, despite beign something of a grammar nazi at times. There should be both pages, with one redirecting. Just copy the entire lowercase page, make that a redirect, and paste it into the uppercase name version, if it's important to you. -[[User:Flux|Flux]] 14:25, 5 April 2009 (CEST)

::::::: being a grammar nazi is fun ^^... anywho, its not that important + i dont understand ur explanation... by ur explanation i think i have to make a copy of the article...am i right? --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 15:54, 5 April 2009 (CEST)

::::::::Use the [move] tab at the ~top of the page (It's next to History, which is next to the Edit button :P ) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:11, 5 April 2009 (CEST)

:::::::::I was under the impression that only admins could use the move, protect, and delete buttons? If move is open to all, then yeah, that's an easier way. Moving a page automatically creates a redirect link from the old to the new. -[[User:Flux|Flux]] 23:18, 5 April 2009 (CEST)

::::::::::Just saw this discussion and thought I'd chime in. The case sensitivity is unfortunate, and is actually an aspect of the server's operating system (Linux). When I first starting messing around in here, Leord mentioned to be that the general rule of thumb was to capitalize the first letter and lowercase the rest, unless they're proper nouns. I don't know if that still stands, but I agree it's not a big deal. BTW Flux, Protect and Delete are still hidden from users, so not all is lost. =]
::::::::::--[[User:Azymn|Azymn]] 03:01, 6 April 2009 (CEST)

::::::::::Ok, sorry for sorting your talk page in a traditional [[help:Talk|talk page manner]], I just need to see who wrote what. =)

::::::::::Anyway, do NOT move around pages that are descriptive titles like a [[Critical hit]]. If an article we make is made from some sort of name, like a [[Hydra Rune]], then use the capitalization. There are no problems with the server wither way, but it's a lot easier to make links, and it's common wikipedia custom do name articles in this fashion. =)

::::::::::Please everyone check out the [[Help]] section. I spent lots of time writing it, and it handles more or less everything you would come across in the wiki! The following pages cover all the above questions: [[Help:Move|moving articles]], [[Help:Markup|making links of any kind]] and [[DiabloWiki:Policy|naming policies]]. Also, as Flux said, we need redirects as well, so check out [[Help:Redirect|redirects]] for further info. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:34, 7 April 2009 (CEST)

::::::::::PS. If "Critical Hit" becomes a [[:Category:Game terms|game term]], we'll rename the page accordingly. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:36, 7 April 2009 (CEST)

==attribute page==
Flux, the [[attribute]] page u edited recently isnt complete... check out pre-set attribute argument... i dont know what you wanted to type there, so i cant help.

:You must have hit it during the editing/rewritting process. I save pages as I'm going from time to time to get a look at the overall thing. it's done now. -[[User:Flux|Flux]] 06:36, 6 April 2009 (CEST)

:: i didnt edit it... i was never in attributes editing page... --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 08:08, 6 April 2009 (CEST)

::: He's talking about this line: "Much digital ink has been spilled on this issue, since it was revealed at Blizzcon, in October 2008. (The first word came from an interview by Diii.net, and immediately resulted in a". It ends mid-sentence with "a", and then the next paragraph begins. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:34, 7 April 2009 (CEST)

::::O I C. I thought you meant the page was generally disorganized, as it was during the editing/writing process. I didn't notice that inc sentence. I was going to add a link to the first reaction to the news, and forgot to go dig up the forum thread. It's edited now. -[[User:Flux|Flux]] 00:22, 8 April 2009 (CEST)

== Pit Flyers==
Aren't the bat winged creatures with the fingernail heads at the Blizzcon 2008 games Pit Flyers? --[[User:Butch Audacity|Butch Audacity]] Feb 14, 2010 3:52 PM EST

:They're a similar type, at least. I made a [[flyer]] page for them. They weren't [[Pit Flyer]]s, at least they didn't spawn from anything like those are concept-art shown to, but they were giant bats. -- [[User:Flux|Flux]] 08:39, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

==Mods section==
Leord suggested that I lend a hand fleshing it out. What kind of info do you want there? For what version of D2? Mods living / dead, released / unreleased, in development / complete / abandoned / history, etc.

Also, quite aside from the 'official documentation' that every mod has, Eastern Sun (for example) has a rather [http://miyoshino.la.coocan.jp/eswiki/ extensive wiki] of its own. How do these fit in? --[[User:Sing in Silence|Sing in Silence]] 21:10, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

:Hey, thanks for the offer.

:For now, I'd just like basic coverage of all the major (and minor?) D1 and D2 mods. I put some very quick paragraph summations about a few of them on the {{iw|Mod#Diablo_II_Mods d2 mods page}} a few weeks ago. I'd like to keep the descriptions on that page of about that length -- name of the mod, a sentence or two on what makes it special/different/unique, dates when it was being updated, links to official site/forum/download.

:Longer term, it would be nice to incorporate more of the mod info into the wiki. Maybe not every word of a mod's wiki, but at least to preserve the bulk of it; mod hosting sites come and go, after all. That content would go on a page devoted to that particular mod. We've got some more coverage of {{iw|Median_XL Median XL}} now, but it's kind of disorganized. Ultimately we'll get a proper mods navigation and boilerplate set up; so one of those nifty navigation tables would show the essential mod features and such.
:--[[User:Flux|Flux]] 19:59, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

::Flux, you commented on his userpage, rather than talk :p It's a little less likely to draw his attention, I think. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 10:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

==Brought to your attention...==
http://www.diablowiki.net/User:FreeGayChatroomWebcam
Somthing should probably be done about this...
--[[User:Belushi81x|belushi81x]] 16:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:yeah, it seemed a little lacking on diablo 3 content. Not even any links to the male wizard? ;)
:--[[User:Flux|Flux]] 19:46, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

AI

2010-02-23T20:29:04Z

Vipermagi:

'''AI''' stands for Artificial Intelligence. 
In video games, it mainly refers to the behaviour/actions of the [[NPC]]s and enemies in-game.

Khazra

2010-02-23T20:26:40Z

Vipermagi: /* Background */ since entry 8 is about skeletons, I changed it to 9, which talks about Khazra (I really like that name

'''Goatmen''' are simple demonic creations that attack in great numbers. The name "goatman" is a colloquial name, and their original name is '''Khazra'''. The demonic specification of Goatmen is that they are [[Animals]].

==Diablo III Goatmen==
{{Monsterbox
|game= Diablo III
|portrait= Mon-goatman1.jpg
|portrait-width= 155px
|name= Goatman
|classif= Animals
|family= Goatman
|role= Cannonfodder
|life= Unknown
|mana= N/A
|armor= Unknown
|resist= Unknown
|armament= Axe
|dps= Unknown
|dmg_low= Unknown
|dmg_high= Unknown
|range= [[Melee]]
|speed= Fast
|movement= Fast
|modifier= N/A
|spells= N/A
|found= [[Leoric Highlands]]
}}The only type of goatman yet named in [[Diablo III]] are '''Moon Clan Warriors''', but it's certain there will be {{iw|Goatman various clans of Goatmen}}, as there were in [[Diablo I]] and [[Diablo II]].

[[Image:Mon-goatman-camp.jpg|thumb|250px|left|Goatman camp.]]The goatmen foot soldiers seen thus far are much as they were in ''Diablo II''. They mill around in medium-sized packs, wielding huge two-handed polearms, and attack quickly, but not very effectively. The D3 goatmen have quick footspeed and a fast swing, but they pause for a long time between attacks. Their death sounds seem to be improved over how they were in D2, though they're not quite as delightfully bleaty and goaty as they were in D1, when their enticing noises put them amongst everyone's favorite monsters to kill.

[[Goatmen Shaman]] are a new type of goatman in D3, though it's not yet known what types of buffs or resurrection spells they might possess.

Goatmen are now found in camps, and in the [[WWI 2008]] [[Gameplay_WWI2008| gameplay movie]] a vast mob of them comes running out from behind a tent like the one pictured to the left.

===Known Goatman Types===
* Warrior (generic goatman)
* Archer (unconfirmed in D3)
* [[Goatman Shaman]]
* [[Goatman Spearthrower]]

===Known Khazra Clans===
* Moon Clan
* Night Clan (unconfirmed in D3)
* Blood Clan (unconfirmed in D3)
* Death Clan (unconfirmed in D3)
* Hell Clan (unconfirmed in D3)

==Background==
The Goatmen are a race that used to be five clans of the [[umbaru]] race from the [[Torajan]] jungles of [[Teganze]], but were separated, and later used by the [[Vizjerei]] [[mage clan]] in the [[Mage Clan Wars]] as deformed "goatmen". They engaged the Vizjerei in war for many centuries, and became completely obsessed with taking revenge on the [[sorcerer]]s, to the point of the rest of the non-transformed clans captured a Vizjerei mage, took control of their "lost" clans that were transformed to goatmen, and transformed themselves as well to better fight the mages.

They paid the price of servitude to the demon [[Zagraal]] in exchange for their feral power, raiding villages and caravans to sate their bloodlust and procure sacrificial victims for their demonic master. The names of the original five clans was forgotten at this point, and they were now given the name '''Khazra''', which roughly translates as "demon" or "devil" in the umbaru tongue.

The umbaru [[Witch Doctor]]s of lower Teganze started to rid the jungles of the Khazra, and in a truly legendary battle they defeated Zagraal. Without demonic powers, the goatmen became weak, and besides power surge that came with [[Diablo]]'s emergence in [[Tristram]] some 20 years ago, they have been the sluggish and muddled beings we know today.

[[Vischar Orous]], Chief Librarian and Zharesh Covenant of the [[Brotherhood of the Vizjerei]] classified goatmen as ''Aries Vehemens''[http://www.diablowiki.net/Diablo_I_Manual#Goat_Men_.28Aries_Vehemens.29], lieutenants of [[Baal]] bred for strength, endurance, and cunning. Apparently spending a lot of time in Hell, excercising in mock wars to please their masters. The different clans of goatmen was according to Vischar blessed with gifts from [[Baal]]. If this was the beliefs of Vischar, or if the Vizjerei just needed to cover up the horrible truth is unknown. [It's also possible that this is just a [[retcon]] from Blizzard].

Some of the history of Goatmen ('''Khazra''') is detailed in the [[Writings of Abd al-Hazir]]. They are especially named in [[Writings of Abd al-Hazir: Entry no. 0009|entry no 9]].

==Media==
You can find pictures in the Diablo 3 screenshot and picture gallery:
* [http://www.diii.net/gallery/ Diablo 3 screenshots and pictures]
* [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=all&si=goatman GoatmAn-specific gallery contents]
* [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=all&si=goatmen GoatmEn-specific gallery contents]

[[Image:Mon-goatman-concept.jpg|frame|center]]

==References==
* [[Writings of Abd al-Hazir: Entry no. 0009]]
* [[Diablo I Manual]]

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[[category:monsters]]

Vischar Orous

2010-02-23T20:21:36Z

Vipermagi: minus slang, some typos, making three sentences one paragraph (easier to read), some minor grammar stuff. Nothing interesting.

''Vischar Orous'' is the Chief Librarian and Zharesh Covenant of the Brotherhood of the Vizjerei. As such he is a highly knowledgeable and often referenced indivdual.

Not much is known about him, personally, though it has been speculated that he is a figure not unlike [[Abd al-Hazir]].

His writings appear in the [[Diablo I Manual]], where he writes most of the beastiary section. Some of the things written in that, however, have been [[retcon]]ned out of existence. For example, he called the Goat Men (now called [[Khazra]]) demons, which in the lore is now false. This implies he either believed false information, or (in this case) covered up the corruption of the Khazra by his own [[Vizjerei]] brotherhood centuries earlier.

His status at the time of Diablo III, much like his entire life, is largely unknown. He may well appear in Diablo III, though his absence from Diablo II seems to make that unlikely.

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[[Category:Characters]]

User talk:Vipermagi

2010-02-20T11:38:32Z

Vipermagi: /* Java etc */ on my actual desktop, that is.

==Typosfixing is cool==
Hello Vipermagi! I saw your typo fix on the [[Berserker]]. Did I manage to encourage you to pitch in from one of my very verbose wiki news posts? =) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:13, 18 November 2008 (CET)

:I feel bad for responding this late D: Anyways, I dripped onto the wiki from the forums, and made an account (I like wikis). Just found that typo after reading through everything in a looong moment of boredom.
:What I noticed today is that diffs ([http://www.diablowiki.net/Berserker?title=Berserker&diff=5600&oldid=5530 ex].) are completely unreadable; White texts on a very light yellow / green / gray background. Eew. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:05, 25 December 2008 (CET)

::I thought that problem with the diff pages was just me... a local browser problem... I guess misery really does love company...
::--[[User:Belushi81x|belushi81x]] 18:01, 25 December 2008 (CET)

:::Since the .css (Cascading Style Sheet; layout of the wiki) is global, it's very unlikely it's a browser specific problem. However, it's possible to change it for oneself, in [[special:mypage/monobook.css]] (assuming you're using the Monobook skin, which is the standard. This can be changed in [[special:preferences]], though). I'm no genius on that, though :< --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:20, 26 December 2008 (CET)

::::Hmm... tried all the skins available in the prefs page, aside from the diff pages, tho, I really didn't like a one of them. I guess I'll have to read up n how to modify that [[special:mypage/monobook.css]]... or ask an admin to modify the global one you were talking about...
::::--[[User:Belushi81x|belushi81x]] 21:58, 26 December 2008 (CET)

::::: Haha, cool to see this page turned out to a proper discussion! =D I have been annoyed by that colour for a long time, and since we are now starting to accumulate some more serious contributors that USE the page more (I just select the text to see it), I can contact Rushster and demand some small 5 min dev time to fix the CSS for everyone! =) If you can just survive until after Christmas and New years, I'll have it sorted! =) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:38, 27 December 2008 (CET)

:::::: BTW, brought the wish for style change forward to developer. =) He said he was aware of it, and "it's on the list". =) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:53, 12 January 2009 (CET)

==Grats on User Page==
It's an as good start as any. I should make my one more pretty as well. =) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:47, 27 December 2008 (CET)

==Wiki Technicalities==
You said you know a bit about wikis. Do you mean you're well aware of the regular markup, or do you mean that you're really good with technicalities ant templates? I wouldn't mind some help with some of that, as I lack a little bit of knowledge in the inner inner workings of the wiki =) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:53, 12 January 2009 (CET)

:I'm a sysop on [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page GuildWiki] (same name there), and dabble about in code every now and then. I might be able to help here and there, but it really depends on what you need. However, I can always ask [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dr_ishmael Ishmael] over there, when needed. He's a genius. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:56, 13 January 2009 (CET)

:: Cool. any clue about things like simple java scripts on a wiki, or templates that have like "if" commands in them? I know unfortunately nothing about java scripts, so that doesn't help much =/ --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:09, 14 January 2009 (CET)

::: I used to be a programmer in a past life... didn't play with Java script much, but I may be able to help you, if I knew what exactly it was you wanted.
:::--[[User:Belushi81x|Belushi81x]] 13:58, 14 Jan 2009 (CET)

:::I can always try :) However, I neither have any form of .js experience; I just rip other people's .js' ^^" --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:16, 14 January 2009 (CET)

:::: Well, it has a lot just to do with how to implement scripts in a wiki, really. Normally you can't do that. So the question is really if you guys know of how to manipulate a wiki on the code side of things! ^^ --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:08, 16 January 2009 (CET)

:::::Manipulate a wiki? As in, indoctrinate people how awesome a certain person would be, or changing the skin of the Wiki? :P Both are do-able in .css and .js files. Css example to change the New Messages box *:
<pre>div.usermessage { color:#4466cc; background: #CC0000}</pre>
:::::This will make the new messages box a dark red (it's what I currently have on GuildWiki, to make it stand out a lot; it would be surprisingly fitting here I think :P ). You can change almost any element of a wiki page by such things, by editing [[special:mypage/monobook.css]]. Note that the mypage link is for you specifically. You can also change it for ''everyone'', [[MediaWiki:Common.css|here]] (for all users) / [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css|here]] (only users using Monobook; default skin). You need to be a sysop to edit such pages, though.
:::::And if neither of those things is what you meant; I just wasted 15 minutes of my life :P
::::: *= presumably. I haven't gotten the chance to actually test it here; might be a different name. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 12:39, 17 January 2009 (CET)

==Updates==
Hey there, lots of very nice updates recently. The [[Mongrel]] for one! =) Check out Belushi's talk page, I was thinking of revamping the [[skill]]s, and you could help! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:08, 26 February 2009 (CET)

:[http://www.diablowiki.net/Special:Contributions/Vipermagi?title=Injured_Villager&diff=prev&oldid=7735 this] would've been a better example (since that was slightly above the usual nit-picking ^^). Other than that; responded and made a draft (Paint-style). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:23, 28 February 2009 (CET)

==Poke==
Made a reply on my talk page =D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:56, 10 March 2009 (CET)

:You don't have to poke me (ouch!); my [[special:Watchlist]] does that for me ;) And nowadays there's few edits on a day, so they'll all pop up on RC. </random> --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 12:20, 10 March 2009 (CET)

::Hehe, that's cool =) I usually miss these things as I don't automatically check watchlist, and there are no automated messages to help me when there are watchlist updates. I don't mind a poke if you reply on some other page. Like the [[Talk:The_Skeleton_King|The Skeleton King talk page]], where I left you a message ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:45, 7 April 2009 (CEST)

==*Rage*==
Lol @ your [[Abd al-Hazir]] rage =) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:08, 16 April 2009 (CEST)

==WD==
Good call. also added description to the page.
:And a timestamp :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:51, 8 June 2009 (CEST)

==Skills Again==
Hello Viper! So, I have now started for real to convert skills into a new shape. I created the [[Boilerplate:Skill]] for it, where you can see my idea of how a skill page should look. I am still making changes to it as I started on [[Magic Missile]], noticing things that needs improvements in both the Skillbox and the boilerplate itself. Feel free to pitch in, but start in another skill tree than Arcane, so we don't start to do double work.

Also, how is the traditional way to make archives of talk pages again? I do need to make one of mine... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:07, 6 July 2009 (CEST)

:[[Magic Missile]] is looking fine. I like the Infobox to the right. I don't have much motivation nor the energy to do anything beyond school at the moment, though (and even that, I screw up).
:As for archiving; Our previous discussion on that quickly changed to a discussion about your Bureaucrat status (or rather, lack thereof).
:I'm used to using the [[Special:Movepage&target=User_talk:Leord|Move]] function, and then removing the redirect left on the 'real' talk page. You can use plain links on your talk page to archives (as I would do), you can create a pretty box to go with it and find a suiting icon.. You can also just not link to the archive at all, if you want :P
:However, there's other archiving methods. One is just copying the contents over to a different page. It's very easy, and requires only 2 edits (removing content, pasting it on other page). One downside to this is that the History tab is empty on the archive. This information would still be stored on your 'real' talk page.
:Last, and possibly least (imo), is the option of just removing all comments, not placing them elsewhere. The history tab will still retain all information.
:That's all I can think of.
:tl;dr: Use the Move tab on the top of the page :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:01, 6 July 2009 (CEST)

==Thanks==
Thanks for the skill polish, very appreciated :) Also, I finally archived my old talk page :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:42, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:That's what were here for, aren't we? ^^ And congratulations on your (or rather, ''the'') first archive. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:56, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

==Cleanup==
Nice cleanup of old and needed articles in the wiki! Awesome job man :)

If I could make one request it's for you to add categories when you do cleanups, and navboxes, if they exist. :) For example, look at [[Archangel]]s.

Also, check out [[Help:Structure]] and see if you can make any sense of it. If you can't, ask me, and I'll help. would be awesome to have someone to help me with deciding some of the category structure :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:13, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:No problem :) Planning to do some more work today, but may be too short on time (not unlikely)
:Archangles, huh.
:I'll keep the structure page open next spree; Cats are always useful (unless they spit hairballs ;) ). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:44, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::Well, that didn't work out quite as planned :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:53, 9 September 2009 (CEST)

==Levels==
Started discussion [[Talk:Level|here]]. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:05, 9 September 2009 (CEST)

==Bluetracker==
* I saw you use those d3db something blues tracker. Just gonna point you in the direction of http://www.blizzblues.com/ . It's a friend's of mines site, and it rocks as a blues tracker :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks :D D3db hasn't updated in months, so I'll bookmark your mate's tracker :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

::It's a good one to boot! :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:05, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

==Java etc==
Remind me again... What would I have to ask Rush to do in order to get stuff like menus with tabs etc? It's really over due. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:05, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

:Sorry for my late response: I only used my computer to run some automated tasks this weekend because I was immensly busy with 5th-of-December-Santa (Saint Klaas, Dutch (not sure about other countries celebrating him) holiday and stuff). As for the actual question: I don't get it. Don't we have something like that at the top of the Wiki already? I'm probably misunderstanding it all :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

::Awesome, so you guys have a second Christmas? :)

::Yeah, we have java in the menu. I mean I want it in navboxes. Navboxes with tabs, sorry for being vague. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Weeeelll, it's quite a lot different, but the names are the same in foreign languages :P
:::Show/Hide boxes. Give me half an hour and I'll get back to you. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Two links to get you guys starting: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NavFrame] + [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Collapsing]. It will require some code to be entered in [[mediawiki:common.js]] and [[mediawiki:common.css]] (can probably be lifted from other wikis, but has to be found first :P Thank MediaWiki for making everything open-source). The div classes can be put in a template so it's not as difficult to remember :P I ''think'' the only difference is that the div classes aren't actually tables, unlike the tables (DUH :P ), but I'm still asking around about that. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

New responses on the matter (Q: The major difference is that div boxes aren't tables, but rather floating boxes, right?): 
"Basically, yes. Divs are much more flexible than tables, which is why the current web design trend is to avoid tables whenever possible, only using them when necessary to display tabular data." ~Ishmael 
"Yes, and the wiki HTML coding has made me adopt this statement: "When in doubt, use a div" ~Gimmethegepgun 
GuildWiki only uses NavFrame, and so far we've had no big problems. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

:Ok awesome! Well, it's not only to collapse it like many wikis do, but I'd actually like a tab format like this: [http://www.sc2pod.com/wiki/Banshee] (site seems down right now).

:However, this brings up another weird problem. Anything added to [[mediawiki:common.css]] is no longer actually working in the wiki. Those classes there only works because we manually put them in the CSS file on the server. Would this be the same with the js page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:20, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

::Site ain't down for me. I see which you mean. Since their .css and .js commons are also empty, I can't help you there. They probably implemented it serverside, so you'd have to ask them for the code. (side note: They have a reeeally neat search bar :P ).
::Did you flush your cache when trying edits to the common css? The css and js codes are stored on the local computer (takes ages loading it from the server every page visit), so you need to force-refresh to see the changes. Other than that, I have no experience on that end, sorry :( Don't think anyone I know does, for that matter. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:24, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, it's not that hard for me to just implement a new java script on the site - I have FPT access. The thing is I wouldn't know how to use it in the actual templates or articles! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:44, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

::::re .css issues: Personal .css doesn't work either ([[user:vipermagi/monobook.css]]). That's what I needed the new messages box for :) Thanks!
::::The div classes for NavFrame are all .css. Implementation in articles would look like the following (but probably in a template so it's not uber difficult to remember ^^ Variables for colors, header and content):
<div class="NavFrame" style="background: darkred">
<div class="NavHead" align=left style="background: red"><Header goes here></div>
<div class="NavContent" align=left>
<Dirty little secrets go here>
</div></div>
::::The .js that needs to be implemented is documented [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/NavToggle here] (top section, up until Dynamic Navigation Bars), css is [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css here] (ctrl+f "coll", copy section up until == Infobox == should be everything). This should 'fix' the example I posted, too. Indicator of the code working, I guess. I'm no expert at this stuff, so if everything collapses (in a bad way), it's not my fault, okay? :D --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:53, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hey Vipermagi, it's been awhile. Let me know when you start looking at this stuff again, I think I can help out. It's been some time since I looked at it, but if I remember correctly the monobook.css (and monobook.js) stuff doesn't work because of some server settings that disallow it for standard users. And if we can get jQuery on here we can roll our own cross-browser code that would be much easier to expand and maintain.
:::::--[[User:Azymn|Azymn]] 06:22, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

::::::I figured it was blocked serverside. I guess we'll have to look at Rush kindly? ;) I'll take a look at jQuery; no idea what it is. Most likely don't have time today, however. *puts up a stickynote* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Reference

2010-02-06T13:40:54Z

Vipermagi: Created page with 'This page is pretty ridiculously large, and will only grow after DIII is released. I can't imagine this loading fully on slower connections; when a page has to load more than 45 …'

Diablo Wiki:About

2010-01-26T12:36:10Z

Vipermagi: /* Help Out */ eh

This is the '''{{WikiTitle}}''', which is a community depository for ''Diablo'' information of every kind. Any Diablo fan is free to help by expanding sections, just adding numbers, or fixing other editors' typos. As the name suggests, {{WikiTitle}} is a ''wiki'', a web document that anyone are free to edit or add to. "All of us are smarter than any of us," goes the theory. Wikis are designed to be easy to edit; they are primarily text-based, and you do not need to know HTML, PHP, CSS or any other programming language to edit wiki pages.

The site is supported by the Unofficial Diablo II Site on [http://www.diii.net DIII.Net]. There are two wikis, one covering [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net Diablo II], the other [http://www.diablowiki.net Diablo III]. We encourage the community to share their knowledge with others to build DiabloWiki.net into the best resource for ''Diablo III'' there is. The content on this site has been created mainly by Diii.Net staff with contributions by the community. To respect the contributors to this site we ask that content is not lifted verbatim and pasted onto other websites.

==Help==
These are the main help pages of {{WikiTitle}}:
* [[Help:Contents|Help Contents]]
* [[Help:Markup|Editing Help]]
* [[Help:FAQ|Frequently Asked Questions]]

==Help Out==
If you are interested in what you could help the Diablo community with, check out these articles:
* The Diablo Wiki [[Community Portal]] - Portal to the DiabloWiki content needs.
suggestions.

==Contact==
If you need to contact {{WikiTitle}} staff for additional help, check out:
* [[{{WikiTitle}} Crew]] - The people behind {{WikiTitle}} (make an entry yourself, if you are a {{WikiTitle}} visitor!)
* [[User:Elly|Elly]] - Lead Administrator.
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* [[User:Leord|Leord]] - Secondary DiabloWiki Editor, and in charge of helping new editors. Feel free to shoot away questions on his talk page, forum PM or e-mail.

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User talk:TheWanderer

2009-12-30T12:43:51Z

Vipermagi: /* Hullo */ Proper caps looks a little silly sometimes.

==Welcome==
Hey man. Nice update on the [[Mana Globe]]. I edited that, and the [[Health Globe]] a bit. Welcome aboard DiabloWiki.net ;) Hope you'll be around to help when/after the BlizzCon stuff floods us :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:40, 21 August 2009 (CEST)

:You there? Seen more nice edits from you :) If you feel unsure on how to reply, check out [[Help:Talk]] --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:02, 4 September 2009 (CEST)
::Thanks! I'm just concentrating on the Lore section right now, since its mainly text. I still need to learn how to properly edit pages, will do in a few weeks.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:49, 9 September 2009 (CEST)

:::Oh! That would be awesome! We need lore and lore navigation improved. I am a lore lover, and I keep trying to get to the lore, but bloody Blizzard keep releasing new D3 info. Check out the [[Help:Contents|Help page]] I made for help. :) Other than just editing text, there is not much more needed doing on lore articles. Ofc, pictures are great as well. But mainly you only need to know how to write (doh) and add pictures :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:50, 9 September 2009 (CEST)

:::Also, I just saw your other edits. Good job man! :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:23, 9 September 2009 (CEST)

==Weird Links==
* http://www.diablowiki.net/Inventory%E2%80%8E&rcid=11744
* http://www.diablowiki.net/Talk:Inventory%E2%80%8E&rcid=11745
Where did you get hold of these URLs? They are not regular ones, they contain an invisible sign. In the URL you can see the "%E2%80%8E", and that is how the browser interpret it. Very good of you to create redirects, but I might delete them later, depending on where you got them :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:30, 25 September 2009 (CEST)
:It was on the first page:D, in the 'Did you Know?' section. -- 00:24, 26 September 2009 [[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]]
:: Oki, ty, I fixed the problem :) That can happen when you copy text from the "recent changes" page. There's an invisible character after each word. So beware :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 19:14, 29 September 2009 (CEST)

==Great work on the lore!==
Really nice one with the characters and stuff! :D

I just want to remind you that in order to get people to actually find the articles and read them, you need to put them into a category of some sort. Characters from books go into "[[:Category:Characters]]", and so on. Also, a navigation box would be good. Just add this code: <nowiki>{{NPC navbox}}</nowiki> of any NPC '''or''' character you add. On top of that, click the little "[e]" in the navbox when done, and add the character to an appropriate column :)

Great work though! :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:52, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

: By the way! On the [[Template:NPC navbox]], we can see a VERY long list of "Other" characters. Are you sure none of those are "Minor" characters, and can be put in the bottom end in alphabetical order instead? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:46, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

==What happened with the classes==
I left a message for [[User:Krunkest404]]. So, basically, he managed to fuck up the boilerplate as well as the Classbox. This was obviously beyond your skills, but what you SHOULD have done is restoring the classbox, and then moving it back to it's real name. That would have fixed it without deleting the classbox code from each of the class pages.

I appreciate you did as good as you could, and it's honestly better without class boxes than having a fan class on EVERY single class. However, if you feel unsure in the future, don't delete, just comment it out. I am now gonna write a long message for Krunkest404.... :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:33, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

==Range of updates==
Saw the updates from Monday evening. Bloody nice :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:17, 14 October 2009 (CEST)
:Thanks! Though that's Monday morning or Tuesday marning:)--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:52, 15 October 2009 (CEST)

::I Know, I am a bit late. I did see it back then, but I was fiddling with stuff and never got my finger out to comment. :) At the moment, I am doing Diablo II skills in the D2 wiki. You could help me fill out the lore entries that gets created from that! It's primarily the flavour text Blizz added to spells and classes. We really need to re-write the [[Amazon]], [[Paladin]] etc articles to be more "wiki", and also incorporate much info available on the skills. The Amazon skills are particularly full of info about the Amazon pantheon, which would be cool to map out in a <nowiki>[[Amazon pantheon of gods]]</nowiki> or similar article. Perhaps <nowiki>[[Amazon gods]]</nowiki> would suffice as a name...

::Also, cross referencing skills with lore articles etc.

::In the D2 wiki, we won't do much lore, so changing links from local lore links in the D2 wiki to use the <nowiki>{{iw|link link}}</nowiki> template (check [[:Template:iw|here]] for how to use. Basically, replacing links in D2W that leads to lore in D2W with links to DW.net. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:40, 15 October 2009 (CEST)
:::Got it Chief!--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 00:51, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

::::Cool, then you got something to do if you become bored :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:34, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==Nor Tiraj and other new pages==
Regarding [[Nor Tiraj]], I just wanted to say - awesome you add them - but you need to add them to categories and navboxes, or they will just be forgotten in the flow of wiki articles. So, put articles like that in [[:Category:Characters]], and add the <nowiki>{{NPC navbox}}</nowiki> to it. I know, he's not an npc, but we'll sort out the "character navbox" and "NPC navbox" etc later on. Perhaps also add characters of the Horadrim to [[:Category:Horadrim]]... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:49, 15 October 2009 (CEST)

:In the most literal sense of NPC, Nor Tiraj is one too. I don't recall being able to play with Nor Tiraj? :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:17, 15 October 2009 (CEST)

::Well, saying "[[NPC]]" indicates they are part of the game, and they are not. So they are "Characters" pure and simple. We reserve the term "NPC" for characters we'll meet in-game that are not controlled by the AI. Either way, the navbox will do fine until we get more characters and NPCs, at which point we'll have to organise the whole thing better. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:34, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==New Work==
I think I'll start working on the Deadend pages and Lonely pages :) listed in Melianor's page.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 00:58, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

:Saw that. Awesome :) Also, consider looking into "short pages", and "wanted pages". You can find them all '''[[Special:Specialpages|here]]''', and you can put the links you use a lot on your own user page for reference. I would link mine, but that one's a mess, don't even go there :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:34, 16 October 2009 (CEST)
:: Thanks!--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:34, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

===Notes on latest batch===
I just feel warm and fuzzy when all the red links are slowly disappearing! :) Here are just a few notes. I don't want to take over all the "latest changes" with my name everywhere :)
* [[Banagar]] - Add links on [[Blackmarch]] & [[demon]].
* [[Esu]] clan - Change "of the [[Zann Esu]] clan" to "of the reclusive [[Zann Esu]] all-female [[mage clan]]". Mainly to get a link to "mage clan" in there. Also, you could make a note like "The mage clan [[Diablo III]]'s [[Wizard]] originally was sent to.
* Also, I moved a few names in the [[Template:NPC navbox]], as we keep them in alphabetical order :)
* [[Andariel]] - Don't leave it as an empty article. Even just copying some info from the D2W is fine. In this case I just added a interwiki template, but it's only ever supposed to be a temporary solution. You've done great on many articles, feel free to help fill that out as well.
* [[Journal of Elder Aust of Harrogath]] - I restored it, actually. Don't take offence, but we really just need those articles in D3W. The D3W is the "general wiki" with lore etc, and the pages we make here can LINK to D2W pages on that page, but generally try to avoid using [[Template:Iw]] on D3W, unless linking to a very specific D2W thing, like a skill or item. However, on the D2W, use it however much you want, as we want D2W visitors to try out the D3W. :) Sometimes the IW is ok, but in other cases it's better to link to a "red" page, so people see it needs doing. It's a hard path sometimes, like the [[Michael Bell]] article IW:ing {{iw|Nihlathak Nihlathak}}, that's a situation where it's a good link, but if we'd have had a proper [[Nihlathak]] article, that would have been better...
On the whole you're doing an absolutely smashing job! Just ask me if you feel unsure about anything, but it's also good you just continue to edit, so it's *edited* and I can explain more detailed how to do individual things as I see your edits. :) Don;t ever feel you have to wait for my permission or anyone else's to do something. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:10, 20 October 2009 (CEST)

:Thanks! Only 543 more Wanted pages. :)--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:44, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

==Goodbye==
Well, not permanently. I have exams in March(big ones) and my parents are going to cancel the net connection to make sure I concentrate on them. I'll be back in March(2nd week probably).--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:54, 2 November 2009 (CET)

:Oh, You made me just as sad as I was warm and fuzzy before :( But I look forward to March when you come back! :) Done an awesome job, and we will miss you plenty! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:21, 3 November 2009 (CET)

==Hullo==
I'm back a bit early. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year(a bit late).

:Merry Christmas, Wanderer :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 12:43, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Diablo Wiki:About

2009-12-29T22:05:30Z

Vipermagi: /* Help */ No

User:Vipermagi

2009-12-28T11:32:54Z

Vipermagi: back to somewhat normal :P

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== Hi ==
I lurk around the wiki (most notably [[special:recentchanges|RC]]), correcting typos, making sure cats don't explode and other similar day-to-day tasks. 
If you ever need help with anything, don't hesitate to ask, I'll do my best to answer correctly. 
Alternatively, bug [[User:Leord|Leord]] with it.

== Sand ==
[[/Skill]], [[/Skill2]] 
[http://www.diablowiki.net/Special:Prefixindex?title=Special%3APrefixindex&from=User%3AVipermagi&namespace=0 My prefixindex]. 

Keep-empty-list:
*[[Special:Unusedcategories]]
*[[Special:Unusedimages]]
*[[Special:Unusedtemplates]]
*[[Special:Wantedpages]]
*[[Special:Wantedcategories]]
*[[Special:BrokenRedirects]]
*[[Special:Deadendpages]]
*[[Special:DoubleRedirects]]
**Somewhat related, more info and more "useless" links (other purpose): [[Special:SpecialPages]]

[http://d3db.com/bluetracker/item/19820880401 Bash] linking to 'us' :D

User:Vipermagi

2009-12-26T12:43:24Z

Vipermagi: Merry Christmas and whichever other holiday you celebrate :D

SO. 
Merry Christnukkazaa everyone :D 
And for those not religious, have a nice holiday.

Morlu Caster

2009-12-21T16:27:02Z

Vipermagi: /* Media */ It was the Dark Wanderer disguised as a demon, right

The Morlu Caster has only been seen in concept art and in the Monk's cinematic movie, so they are known more by potential than by actuality. The monster is definitely a humanoid and is apparently a higher level version of the various Dark Cultist mages. It's assumed that "Morlu" is the monster type, and "Caster" is his role/occupation. We might see "Morlu Warriors" or some other Morlu type units -- or this particular demonic mage might be a one-off who has a fancier name than most.

==Diablo III Monster==
<div style="clear:both;"></div>
{{Monsterbox
|game= Diablo III
|portrait= Mon-morlu-caster-concept-s.jpg
|portrait-width= 150px

|classif= Demons
|family= Cultist ?
|role= Offensive [[Caster]]
|life= Unknown
|mana= Unknown
|armor= Unknown
|resist= Unknown
|armament= Wand
|dps= Unknown
|dmg_low= Unknown
|dmg_high= Unknown
|range= [[Melee]]
|speed= Unknown
|movement= Unknown
|modifier= None
|spells= Meteor Storm ?
|found= Act 2 Desert, Alcarnus
}}
[[File:Mon-morlu-caster03.jpg|left|thumb|Launching a Fireball.]]
Morlu Casters are unknown in the game, so their behavior can only be predicted by how this one behaves in the Monk cinematic movie. There it launches a Fireball, which seems a very probable skill. Less likely is the ability to leap high into the sky and vanish, leaving behind a barrage of falling Meteor Storm, but such a power is not out of the question for a late game enemy.

That the monster will wear a robed disguise and pretend to be your friend seems highly unlikely, though.

===Spells and Abilities===
* Fireball
* Meteor Storm (?)
* Melee Charging Strike?

===Known Cultist Types===
It's assumed that Morlu Casters are the highest level of Cultists, but this remains speculative until more information is released. They associate with melee fighter Cultists in the Monk Cinematic, but only indirectly, and the Morlu Caster's appearance is very stylized and snazzy; not much like the basic mutated human in purple that the other types of Cultist effect.

* [[Cultist]]
** [[Dark Demon]] (summoned)
* [[Dark Vessel]]
** [[Activated Vessel]]
* [[Berserker]]

===Related Monsters===
Unknown.

==The Monk Cinematic==

[[File:Mon-morlu-caster02.jpg|left|thumb|Morlu Caster in disguise.]]
The Morlu Caster was first seen in a starring role in the [[Cinematic: Monk|Monk's intro cinematic]] movie. The Morlu Caster is the robed human who pretends to befriend the Monk and lead him to Alcarnus, before revealing his true demonic nature and attacking the Monk with powerful melee and magical attacks.

[[File:Mon-morlu-caster01.jpg|thumb|Morlu Caster revealed.]]
It's not known how much of the Morlu Caster's behavior in the cinematic will show up in the game. He casts a very impressive flying Meteor Strike type spell, as well as demonstrating high defense and a staff-breaking charge attack -- these may all be special effects added just to spice up the Monk's movie, or some/all of them might be abilities the Morlu Caster actually possesses in the game. (Though the staff-breaking strike is surely just for the movie, since D3 weapons don't even have durability, much less the potential to break entirely.)

It's generally assumed that the in-game version of this monster will be just another monster mage, without any of the mini-boss super powers seen in the cinematic.

===Famous Monsters===
It's not known if the Morlu Caster seen in the Monk cinematic is a named Super Unique we'll see in the final game, or was just something the movie guys created for the cinematic. In any event, the Morlu Caster's starring role in the Monk's introductory movie earns him some fame, at least.

==Background==
It's not yet known how closely, if at all, these demonic human mages are related to the other types of [[Cultist]]s.





==Development==
Unknown.



==Media==
There are no screenshots yet, but the Morlu Caster appears all throughout the Monk's Cinematic movie, and is also seen [http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3184&si=morlu%20caster in one piece] of concept art.
* [http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=658 Monk Cinematic Movie screencaps].

<gallery>
File:Mon-morlu-caster-concept.jpg|Pic 1
File:Mon-morlu-caster02.jpg|Disguised.
File:Mon-morlu-caster01.jpg|Revealed!
File:Mon-morlu-caster03.jpg|Fireball attack.
</gallery>



==References==
* [[Cinematic: Monk| The Monk's intro Cinematic movie]].

{{Monster navbox}}

User talk:Cogo

2009-12-18T13:38:45Z

Vipermagi:

Hi! I'm new, feel free to leave a comment. --[[User:Cogo|Cogo]] 13:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

:Hi. Welcome to the D3 wiki :D Leord will probably ask whether you have any wiki experience and what your next edit will be (my guess? a reply to his comment). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Leord/2

2009-12-17T16:51:50Z

Vipermagi: /* Why Doesn't This Work?! */ sneak poke!

User talk:Vipermagi

2009-12-16T21:53:49Z

Vipermagi: /* Java etc */

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2009-12-16T19:16:46Z

Vipermagi:

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User talk:Leord/2

2009-12-16T17:31:13Z

Vipermagi: /* Why Doesn't This Work?! */

User talk:Leord/2

2009-12-15T17:03:36Z

Vipermagi: /* Why Doesn't This Work?! */

==Welcome 2==
I had to archive my talk page, it was getting too long. Welcome to the new one, feel free to leave any messages at the bottom of the page!

You can find the old one [[User talk:Leord/1|here]]. Please don't edit that one! :P If you want to continue on older topics, make a new one and bring it up like if it was a new one. I brought over a few topics that are a bit recent.

Cheers! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:34, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

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== Appreciation ==
Thank you for the touch-ups you did to the Alchemist page. As an English major, I was in agony over making such a mistake as putting "theirselves". If there are any other problems with the page, please feel free to correct them. I have not had much experience in writing webpages, but I am learning. Also, if you have any ideas, I am very open to imput. I do have a question: Is '''diablowiki.net''' connected to '''diii.net'''? I have noticed that my Alchemist page has appeared there as well, I wanted to make sure they were allowed to do so. -- 21:25, 8 July 2009 [[User:Kire|Kire]]
: You're quite welcome! :) Any edits in the wiki, you can get help in the [[Help|help section]]. As for Talk page comments, you can simply sign them with the press of a key, more info [[Help:Talk|here]].
: Diii.net is running DiabloWiki, but the contribs here does not necessarily have any connections with Diii.net. As for classes, do you mean [http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?t=731429 this one]? Doesn't look like it's the same, other than the name. :) As for "allowed", I am not sure what you mean. It's the internet, and you probably don't have a trademark for Alchemist. ;) Other than that, we don't impose any special user rights other than normal law. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:49, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::For what I can find, anything on this Wiki is completely uncopyrighted, so it's basically right-to-copy.
::Somewhat related is the message above the Summary bar; "(see [[Project:Copyrights]] for details)". Redlink, oops? ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:31, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::I know there are some rights reserved, for legal reasons etc. But over all, it's a pretty open affair :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:41, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::::Thanks again for clearing that up! And I do recognize that people are free to copy and edit anything on the site, so I'm not trying to lay claim to it. Sorry if I sounded like a jealous user -I think I was just shocked to see links to the Alchemist page on other sites so quickly. I need to also thank you for the link you gave me to the forum at Diii.net on Alchemists. I am now in touch with users with similar interests to my own! --[[User:Kire|Kire]] 11:27, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool! Yeah, things I do tend to get popular quick. Great to be back online as well. Been a horrible 2 odd weeks! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Skill template ==
Holidays are boring. 
Do you know approx. what skill pages you've created? I can spend some hours creating pages, since I have little better to do :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 00:02, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:While I possibly have your attention: [[Special:Contributions/AlgetMonco]] → Vandal that dislikes you. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:29, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:: Noticed. He's blocked now. I don't know if that helps. thatnks for keeping my talk page clean. Need to start archiving now as well :P

:: As for the skills, it's pretty easy to see which ones are made by looking at the skill navboxes for the wizard. I am literally doing one tree at the time, going through it from first to last :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:::When I get some free time again (preparing for a LAN weekend atm :) ) I'll start with the Barbarian. *writes a note on his desktop* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:02, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

::::Absolutely awesome. As we finalize these, we'll start making more wiki updates on the front of Diii.net as well. We took a big hit for the downtime, no time to spare to get it back! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:04, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Synnargeez ==
[[Conjured_Health#Synergies]]. CH synergizes with Mirror Image, not the other way around; I figured that header would be for skills that synergize with the skill you're looking at? Makes more sense to me. What's your thoughts on this case? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:24, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:Well, my idea was to have the term "synergy" to basically list all spells that are directly related. I'm using an old term because people are familiar with it. I am fairly certain there will be no "generally synergistic" spells like in Diablo II. You will have the 1 Rank spells (for Wizard) and then the 15 rank Skills. Possibly 2-15 varies between skills, but that basic design. A bit like skills and talents in one tree, talking in WoW terms (I should make an article about that!). --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:What do you think? I am very open for suggestions at this stage :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::I just find listing affected skills on passives a bit redundant, since the direct effect is listed in both Background and Description.
::Also, on skill ranks: Base will be 5 max, and it's possible to get a higher cap (10 and 15) for an X amount of skills (unknown X). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:51, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::We'll see about the base. Most Wizard skills are 15. As for listing, I like it. It's like the official list with all things affecting or affected by it. If someone wants to reference a spell, it's great to have it in a standardised place, if you can't be bothered to look for the link in BG/Description etc. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:58, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::::A Bashiok quote on skill point caps:
:One important addition to this is the skill caps themselves. Currently we're envisioning the majority of skills to be capped at 5 points, to begin with. As a form of progression we're planning for players to be able to increase the point caps of skills. More than likely to a maximum of 15. It's a system that's still under heavy design, but the fact of choosing and increasing key skills beyond their initial cap is important to this new unified tier system.</pre>
::::So, most Wizard skills are actually 5 :P
::::As for the list: Okay. It's not like I'll die over the redundancy :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:25, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool. We'll we will have to update this as we move along. Could you make a short paragraph in the [[skill]]s article about the tier system? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:27, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

==Skill / Skill tree / Tier==
[[Skill#Earlier_Info]] has a link to [[Skill_tree]] which has info on Skill [[tier]]s.

We could either split up Skill tree and Tier into two articles, or keep it on one page. I'm fine with either (leaning slightly towards one page; A lot of small pages tend to be harder to navigate). Pick your poison. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:33, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:I was almost thinking we should include all pages to one, like [[skill]]s and [[skill tree]]s really are very closely related. either that, or a lot more interlinking and some sort of navigation. That page would be pretty long though...
:If we just try to summarize the quotes a bit (since wikipedia and other wikis don't really quote much anyway), it would make the article a lot shorter... What are your thoughts? As it is now, it's definitely a little bit too confusing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:32, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

::Just dumping the info on both pages together would make a huge article, yes, but it would have a ton of redundancy too. The page won't be all that long once you remove all the duplicate information (that's another pro of having 1 page over several: Less repeated info :) ). Then again, when is a page long, and when is it not?
::We could make one page in the userspace or wherever to see how long it'd be after removing all redundancy. It would also be a better page for format testing than the page the site's visitors read ;)
::In the end I'm for one page and redirects to that page (and headers on that page if they work). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:58, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::Oki, I agree. You think you got tome to do it? My next major DW push will be skills again. --17:14, 10 August 2009 Leord

::::I have a lot of Tomes to do stuff ;) Will get to skill pages tomorrow. by the way.
::::[[User:Vipermagi/Skill]] and [[User:Vipermagi/Skill2]]. The first is done (unless there's information missing currently?), the latter is not (yet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:15, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Looks very good. We will implement it a bit later then. :) One thing I didn't understand: What's left to do? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

I have deleted [[skill tree]] and made all info on it available on [[Skill]] instead. It makes more sense, who would look at "skill tree" for that info anyway? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 19:03, 16 September 2009 (CEST)

==Skill table==
[[Power of the Battlemaster]] now just has a bulleted list of it's effect. The header is misleading though, as it promised a table. Ideas? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 11 August 2009 (CEST)

:Yes, that's true. The idea is to have a table there in the future, and a bullet point list is what we do before we have proper info. I'd say we keep the name atm. Just so it fits when it's all "upgraded" properly.

:On a sidenote, don't write <void> on Description. Just write what is known. Look at the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] article, and use that as inspiration. You can always write something. Also, a little blurb at the top of the page is good as well. Just take the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] one, and replace class, skills, and then add a few words at the end of it :) This will also make sure to put the infobox underneath the ad.

:You can also add "(presumed)" for rank 4 and 5 of the skill, like I did with many of the arcane skills. If you have 3 ranks info, then you can probably figure out the other ranks stats. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

==Im back, baby!==

Hey leord, im back... was absent because there werent any juicy news about diablo 3, so i went away... im like a bear, i do my thing during specific times... Anyway i have a few suggestions, then im off to editing some articles and adding new ones...http://www.diablowiki.net/skins/common/images/button_sig.png

A: This wiki needs an IRC channel, hosted on quakenet, if possible, it would be much easier for editors/people to go to the channel, and ask questions there... like how to edit articles, or to report any mistakes that we might have made... please say yes

B: There is no B...

C: No C too...

-- 12:53, 20 August 2009 DxAxxxTyriel

: Hey man, nice to see you! :) At the moment, we don't have a IRC channel, but some sort of chat will come up later on. At the moment, I am mostly in the #StarcraftWire channel on Quakenet! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:54, 20 August 2009 (CEST)

==Monk==
Hey dude, you mind if i do the Monk Class? i saw the Diablo 3 panel and WoW:C panels on Ustream, from a guy who was streaming the Pay-per-view thing.... can i? i have many pictures. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 00:53, 22 August 2009 (CEST)

:Dude! Bloody good job on the Monk! And never ask permission to do anything in the wiki ;) You are always free to do anything (except mupping up content, ofc)! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:19, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

:Thx mate. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 15:56, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

== Meli back.... ==

Hi Leord,

I am back to do updates to both Wizard and Monk, from the large news posts on diii.net which detail the full skill trees. Alot to throw out and alot to add. I will leave all the skill pages that are becoming obsolete for the moment just as they. Might be reuseable when they change skill setup again. Otherwise i am updateing all the related pages and also navigation boxes where needed.

Been fiddling with Witch doctor and Wizard already. Will take 1-2 evenings to get it all done though.

regards, meli --[[User:Melianor|Melianor]] 13:57, 31 August 2009 (CEST)

:Hello Melianor, great to see you! (and the great updates!)

:Yes, we'll keep/make skills of the old skills, but put them in an archive of some sort later on, so don't set any of them for deletion! :) I will join you in editing in a few minutes ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:34, 1 September 2009 (CEST)

== FAQ ==
[[FAQ]] changed ever so slighty. You can reach it's old contents [http://www.diablowiki.net/FAQ&action=edit here]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:25, 3 September 2009 (CEST)

:Weird. I know the /FAQ is some special page in the wiki, not a regular article... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:45, 4 September 2009 (CEST)

:[[Diablo III FAQ]]: this is the actual FAQ. the [[FAQ]] article is some sort of special Wiki thing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:15, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::I know; that's why I linked you to the &edit page, so you could access the old information. I didn't know wether you might wanted to transplant it :> The DIII Faq has the same information, though, so I suppose you don't need it anymore. [[FAQ]] is also unlinked beyond this page, so all is well. Redirecting it didn't work, sadly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:33, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::Yeh, no I think I tried fiddling with it last year, and gave up, adding a new FAQ with another name :) If you find out how to make use of [[FAQ]], don't be shy :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:13, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::::I can tell you no other wiki I visit uses the FAQ page at all (page never created), and none of those have the odd plain text. Since I can't: Maybe try a delete? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:41, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::::It will likely just delete the article I made. The thing is, the site obviously redirects the [[FAQ]] url to some other place than the actual article. I have no idea why. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 20:08, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

== Some Problem... ==
A fan class has been popping up in all the class pages. I removed the links, and think it's just a mistake on the author's path. Maybe some editing is the Class Template page.Please check it out.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 05:47, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

: After LOTS of problems, I fixed it all. I left messages a little bit of everywhere to explain it :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

== New Fanmade Content ==

Hello everyone! 
I am a self-taught artist. I just signed in Diablo Wiki and I still don't know how to operate here. I was invited here by Targetgamer. I have many ideas about Diablo 3 and I have posted them in the Battle.net forums. Targretgamer read them and invited me here. As soon i get used to the tools here I will post my ideas on this site. In the meantime you can see my ideas in the battle.net forums. I have ideas in both Suggestions and Diablo 3 forums. Some people there think that I am a spammer, because my post are too long. I hope that people here will be more patient and read more of my ideas. 
Here are some links 

A proposal for a new duel system in Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18031101457&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior - New class proposition:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550662&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior /Shinobi/ skills:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18313393127&sid=3000

New Monster Propositions with Concept Art for Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=20133925237&sid=3000

Read some of my ideas and maybe post your opinion in the forum.

Hello, its Veskin7 Bukito again. 
I forgot to add the last post. 
View my idea for a new continent meant to be added in Diablo 3 expansion 
Here is the link to the Diablo 3 forum:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550680&sid=3000

Enjoy!

-- Veskin7 Bukito 20:34, 29 September 2009

: OH, awesome! I am actually Targetgamer on Battle.net. It's my old Starcraft nickname, but I go by Leord on most other places.

: First off, general ideas and stuff is hard to add to the wiki, unless they have a popular support. However, stuff like monsters, we can make a page for, that looks like an official monster, but is more like a fan idea. I did this with [[fan class]]es, which has turned out marvellous. So basically, we could make a [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior. Just go to [[Fan class:Dragon Warrior]], where I pasted a standardised text you can help me fill out.

: You have basically everything ready to go, so it will mostly be copy+pasting. The standard text uses Wizard mostly, so you need to replace any Wizard skill names etc with Dragon Warrior skills. Now, if you have any self-made concept art, check out the help page called [[Help:Image]], and add them to the wiki.

: The background of the class needs more breaks, so it's not just one block of text. You need more air in it. Also, since [[Lut Gholein]] etc are real places, and [[Abd al-Hazir]] really exist in the gameworld, you can easily link to them in the wiki! Just check [[Help:Markup]] for how to make links!

: If you need help, myself and others are around. Just post a comment on my talk page, most people follow that. My idea is that when you made a proper [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior, we'll move on to the monsters, and we'll create a system to make fan monsters as well. That way you get a dedicated page with a good design on the biggest Diablo info database, and you can easily link it on Battle.net forums, or other Diablo fan forums.

: It's good if you fiddle around a bit before we start making a new type of page though :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:23, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:: Also! I just thought about that wonderful map you made. I doubt enough other people will make additional world maps to be an actual new section of the wiki, but what you can do is heading over to [http://www.diii.net/ Diii.net], which is the biggest Diablo fansite, and posting it in their [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=503 fan art gallery] and in the forum. I know Bashiok has said he visits the page. Same with the duel system suggestion. You will likely get much better discussion than on Battle.net, where there is a lot of trolls. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:30, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:::'''Thank you!'''
:::Thank you, Leord! I am really happy that you appreciate my effords.
:::My goal is to make Blizzard create the things I've invented or at least get their attention.
:::I will we very grateful if you help me with this.
:::I will be able to edit the Dragon Warrior, but this will happen after some days. I actually am a fan without PC - I have played Blizzard games in internet clubs and I post my stuff from a friend's computer, but I can visit him per two days for just 3 hours a day. That's why I will ask you to edit the page if you don't want to wait for me. You can contact me on my E-mail /listed on my profile/ to receive further information about the Dragon Warrior skills and different skill tree names which I heve not invented yet.
:::I'll be in touch. -- 20:29, 30 September 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

::::Cool man :)

::::I am unfortunately busy doing other things at the wiki, but I did start up the [[Fan class]] program here together with [[Holyknight3000]]. I can help you with technical stuff, but the actual content you need to add yourself. How come you don't have internet? o.O

::::Nice to see you around anyway, and just leave a message here if you have any questions or concerns. If you finish off the Dragon Warrior, I'll make sure to create a nice template for how to make monster after! :)

::::Also, don;t forget to sign your posts. If you are unsure how, check out [[Help:Talk]]. ;)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:43, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::I removed some of your links. Check the [[Talk:Fan class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior talk page]]. Also, I think you should upload the images. Check [[Help:Image]]s for help, or ask me :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

== Diablo3wiki.org ==
Actually I didn't start a new wiki. It was already there. And I already have contributed on that wiki alot. I kinda tried to ressurect it from the dead, but I think that the wiki is a lost cause.
I'll gladly contribute to this wiki. And if you need the help to manage this wiki, you can count me in. I do have some wiki experience(most of it is style related).

:I guess I'll just ask if they can delete/merge diablo3wiki.org --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:20, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

::Awesome! :) I am so happy! We're not that many wiki enthusiasts that also like Diablo, so it seems silly to split the effort. Also, the DiabloWiki.net has roots back to 1998, with old Diabloii.net's info pages. A lot here is on Diablo2.Diablowiki.net, and info has been around for a decade.

::Lots of it needs a facelift though, and lots of D3 info that needs adding :)

::I'd say you should try to get www.diablo3wiki.org changed to redirect to DiabloWiki.net, and then just leave the Diablo 3 wiki on wikia. If anyone else finds it there and start edits, perhaps we can add them to the greater project here as well, like Vipermagi and you!

::I'll start looking through all pages on Diablo3.wikia and try to get anything I can, besides images. Perhaps you can do a second trip to make sure we're not missing out on anything good? Next job here in DiabloWiki will be to update all [[monster]] pages to make sure they all use the [[Boilerplate:Monster|boilerplate]], and also add monsters we have concept art of, but no names. Best to have them in here, and we can just rename them and add some info if Blizz release lore material for it. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:44, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Do you work with Stub categories here? Or is it just search and rescue? If it is the last one I can upload stub templates. It's a bit easier because all still to be edited pages will all be put in one category --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:27, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::There is just one Stub type category here at the moment. If you would like to help out making the art of stubbing more advanced, that sounds like a lovely idea. Make sure to explain any new stuff you make on the [[Help:Stub]] page as well. Easier to tell people what is new with that.

::::I have been meaning to do a stub facelift for ages, but I've not had the chance. Also, Templates in general need to be better categorised etc. You can see my work at structuring the wiki on [[Help:Structure]]. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:31, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::By the way, I looked through the wiki, and added a little info on the [[Deckard Cain]] article, and some other minor things. Good to know we got it covered. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:23, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

==Gameplan==
Uhm maybe it's a smart Idea to copy some templates from wikia. Or at least look if we can use some, or just look for Ideas?? :P --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 17:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:Yeah, sure, for ideas if nothing else. I'd rather look at Wikipedia for guidance, though... My main point here was more the categorisation etc. But feel free to do it however you want.

:As for templates, they are currently working pretty good, we just need to increase more navboxes, and my point was if we should categorise the templates, not so much taking anything from Wikia. :) What do you think? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:25, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::Well catogorizing them should be no problem. Since collecting+updating our wikicontent wouldn't be much of a problem. I'd like to look for new styles. Because the first think I see when I go to main page (it might be just me) is a big mess. Only when I take a better look I find info. So we need to do something about that. If you like I can try making a entire new Mainpage (or entire new skin). Not that this skin is bad, it's good.. in fact it is very good. But it still can be perfected. And I'd like to start helping this wiki by making it easy to read/easy to find/easy to see info. Tell me what you think of it/what your gameplan is. I'd probably tag in on ya --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 18:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Remaking it completely seems like a very big job for something that isn't sure to have a great effect. I know we currently lack good navigation as it is. What would you primarily like to change on the front page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:18, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::For starters? Less links. and maybe lose the how to help and/or the did you know part? That makes it a lot easier to read --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 19:59, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Personally don't mind the HtH/DYK? sections. I do agree on the links-to-text ratio. It's a big brick of links currently. Changing the skill tree lists to a small line or note like the following could work:
<pre>For information on [[character]] [[skills]], check out the following pages:
*[[Barbarian Skills]]
*[[Monk Skills]]
*etc.</pre>
:::::I'd be more inclined to read text than links myself.
:::::On the other hand, I never use the main page (RC is my navigation tool), so I might not be the one to ask for help on organisation ^^" Meh, you guys decide what you want and I'll be fine with it regardless (unless you make it pink or blue). Just spouting ideas around randomly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:08, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::::What about
{|Border=1;width=33%;
|Character classes
|-
|
*[[Barbarian]] ([[Barbarian_skills|skills]])
*[[Monk]] ([[Monk_skills|skills]])
*[[Wizard]] ([[Wizard_skills|skills]])
*[[Witch Doctor]] ([[Witch_Doctor_skills|skills]])
*[[Archivist]] ([[Archivist_skills|skills]])
*[[Other classes|Unanounced Classes]]
|}

Simplicity is the best. And don't forget: The Mainpage is your trademark... If it's F-ed up they think the wiki is F-ed up.
::::::And for creating a new template we can also put that as a side project. When there is nothing to do... God bless boredom --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 20:34, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::There are several advantages with having it there. It's easy navigation if you go there etc. The question is how much it's used. I took the idea from some other big wiki ages past. The thing is, I just got access to the top menus, perhaps we should just put it in there, with dropdowns for stuff, and put something like "How to find info" in the links section, pointing people up to the menu? In the meanwhile, I am going to finish off the last Wizard skills now. You're all very welcome to help out, just check the [[Boilerplate:Skill]] --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::: There is a planned nav box for the left hand side which I was discussing with one of the other admins over the weekend. We were thinking of offering two skins. This one with some tweakage to volume of links and another with the main navigation being on the left, as is standard, both on the main page and within. This would allow us to take even more links off the body and leave that more for features. I agree the 'How to' could be trimmed right back, maybe even just to a small box with "How to help" and some essential links to orientate newcomers.

:::::::: I like the 'Did you know' feature. As long as it has slightly more obscure facts I think people like it. --[[User:Elly|Elly]] 17:54, 5 October 2009 (CEST) 

:::::::::I think a more organized main page would be nice. When you think about it, a lot of the page is everywhere. yes it is organized, but i think a more improved main page would be nice, and whatever template/style you guys choose i think will be fine.--[[User:Holyknight3000|holyknight3000]] 07:24, 6 October 2009 (CEST) 

::::::::::If anyone wants to make some test main pages that are improved that would be helpful -- [[User:Elly|Elly]] 23:35, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

===Plans Right Now===
What we'll do for right now then, I think, is making the new menu changes to the top of the wiki, and see what rush comes up with for the classic skin. When we have that done, we'll see what the front page could need in terms of change.

In the meanwhile, it could be cool to hear suggestion on how to change the "how to help" section, and also perhaps list a good menu structure for the top of the page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:37, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:I just realized I made some notes on that:
:''We need a "Help Out" tab, with links to wanted pages etc, and also to help. Perhaps rename/remove Quick Links.''
:--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:40, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

== Some suggestiond and one idea ==

Hey Leord, how are you?
First I'm going to answer your question on why I have no computer and Internet - the answer is simple - poverty. I am a poor student that gets a scholarship of 60 euro per month. My parents have retired and get some pensions of 150 euro per month each. The money is just not enough to buy a PC. But we don't give up. My brother and I will econcmize money an after six months maybe we'll buy one computer. Until then I'm just gonna sit in Internet clubs.

I have a suggestion about the picture upload. Can you do this?: When you type <add picture> a dialog box appears and allows you to browse your computer and upload the file in the <add picture> location. Is it possible to be programmed? I am pretty sure that it is.

And the idea:

I wandered what to do so the efforts of the fans with the fan classes not to go in vain. And here is what I invented:
Why don't we offer Blizzard to make an entirely new Diablo game called Diablo 3 Fan Edition? It will contain classes and monsters made by fans and there will also be an entirely new continent /Angarock/ for the story of the game, made by fans /me/. The contributing fans may do the beta testing and stuff.

What do you think?

--16:25, 6 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

:Ah, sorry to hear about that, Veskin7 Bukito, and I hope it works out for you and your brother :)

:Yes, it's easy enough to upload images, but you do it slightly different. Check out [[Help:Image]]s. I have written the article to help people adding images. What you do then is almost exactly what you said. :)

:Fan classes, fan art, fan fiction and all things created by fans will never be done in vain. It's an integral part of the community, and it's the kind of stuff Blizzard takes inspiration from when they create thing in the game. We can definitely ask them to make these classes in some special edition, but the primary reason we put them here is to tantalize and be fun for the community. The development time to even make ONE of these fan classes to a real hero is pretty big, and they would not do it unless they felt enough thousands of people would buy in to it.

:They generally don't take entire ideas by people for their content, but are ''inspired''. However, if the fan classes by fans are added here, they will be left on the internet permanently, and perhaps inspiring Blizzard in upcoming expansions or perhaps Diablo 4 some time in 10 years. :) The whole reason I started encouraging fans to add their work here is so that it should not have been done in vain. It will always be here, available for fans and Blizzard alike.

:Never think all your work is in vain! You have shown that you have an open and active imagination, and is capable of writing. Perhaps your ideas will inspire Blizzard, perhaps not, but it's not that important, because you can create more!

:Perhaps you should consider trying to write fan fiction based on [[Sanctuary]], and the official world, or some short story about one of the countries in your Angarock continent? Either way, I think you should concentrate on making it as nice and detailed as possible, and available on DiabloWiki, so you can link it to people in the community or perhaps to friends on MSN etc. :) Give it a proper home, and make sure it's very nice and polished. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:41, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:Re, image idea: It ''may'' possible, but it takes a lot of time to make it work without bugging up, and we'd need to find someone extremely skilled and willing. We're better off directing people to [[special:upload]]/[[help:Image]]. An image needs it's own page, so the script will have to:
:* Recognise the <add image> 'tag'
:* Pop up a window that only looks for .jpegs/etc. by default
:* Pop a window that asks for the page name*
:* Check if the name isn't taken**
:* Upload the image under the chosen name
:** Possibly add proper tags/categories
:* Replace <add picture> with the proper link.
: *= If everyone uploads images without a descriptive name, it's hard to discern one from another. This also causes naming conflicts; When an image is uploaded to a name that is already used, it will override/remove the old image. This can be reverted, but it's a hassle.
: **=An image database is usually not fully up to date. The wiki software is hardcoded to flush the lists (i.e. update) once a day. Since the list is most likely not up to date, it's possible the script doesn't notice an image name is taken, and thus uploads the image over the old image.
:Additionally, the script will slow down page loading somewhat, which is more often than not unnecessary. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:01, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

::Aha, now I understand :) Now we're not going to add such a script. Perhaps later, when other critical; things are fixed. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:24, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Writing such a script shouldn't be such a problem. But Viper is right what we need are a few people that script for this wiki. We have enough people to add the content (for the moment). I don't know if any1 here has acces to the scripts? But the person that you want to add those scripts should have it. And also Leord, if u want me to redesign some of the wiki parts (like the mainpage) maybe you should give me some rights as well?
:::The scripting: I think we should wait a bit with that. Untill we have the correct style and everything
:::P.S; the reason I don't react that often/update content atm is because I am a bit busy with school.. Will change in a couple of days --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:52, 7 October 2009 (CEST)
::::edit: I'd also like to see a few functions on this wiki but like Leord said we first need to do the primary things and then think about the secondary things --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:55, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Awesome. As for the script specifically, I just can't see the need for it, and creating a new possible way for hackers to try and gain access to the site (yes, we're often under attack) isn't a positive either. Not saying anyone here would fail at the scripting, just saying the more ways there are to upload stuff or do ANYTHING on the server, the more possible security holes appear.

:::::Good to know we'll see more of you soon, fighter :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:41, 8 October 2009 (CEST)

== Let's do it! ==

Hey, Leord!
The page of the Dragon Warrior is almost complete. I only have to add some skills and the pictures.

BTW can we proceed with creating Fan Monsters page?

And one more question: Do I create a new topic in the Battle.net forums called "Diablo 3 Fan Edition" and describe the idea and add links? I suggest there should be a vote for different classes, so Blizzard pick and create the best, and also a vote for creating Angarock. When I have more time, I will describe the idea thoroughly. -- 20:19, 11 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

: Hello!
: First off, you need to sign your talk page posts. Check out [[Help:Talk]] on how to do that :)
: Secondly, I want you to understand that you will likely not get a great strong reaction from asking people about this, other than admiration from doing a great job. Most likely, Blizzard will not create new classes or continents 100% based on fan input. Among reasons include the legal one: If they would take your world, they would have to pay you copyright money. So. Instead, they will *possibly* take some inspiration from you, and other fan artists, and make their own stuff.
: So, I really like the Fan Monster idea, and I'll get on it later today probably, but it will be hard to get Blizzard to use material created by fans.
: Having said that, it would be really cool with a fan class contest! Like, people make Fan Classes on DW.net, and we decide a winner. Then, hopefully, Blizzard takes note of it, and perhaps incorporate some of those ideas in the game later on! However, it would be cool with some sort of prize then... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:52, 12 October 2009 (CEST)

== The Aurian Mage project ==
Hello, Leord. 
I have been working on a new Fan class called Aurian Mage. I invented more than 30 skills for one night and the class is almost ready. 
Can you please create a sample fan class page called Fan Class:Aurian Mage and add link to the fan classs category, just like you did with the Dragon Warrior?

Thank you.

Veskin7 Bukito 15 October 2009

:Awesome! Oki, I created the [[Fan class:Aurian Mage|Aurian Mage]], and it's ready to go. Just remember to make a sub-page for any links you create, like on the [[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior]]. Meaning a <nowiki>[[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior/Skill Tree 1]]</nowiki> for example. :) Mind you, I have added it to the Fan class category, but it's not visible in the navigation box until you're done. I'll make it visible as soon as you added your info :)

:Also, you can easily make name + time stamp on any talk page posts you make by adding "<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>" at the end. When you press submit, the site recognises that string and replaces it with name + time + date :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:58, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

::Another thing. When you're done, don't forget to make a post on Battle.net about it. I'll help you bump the thread there if you give me the url ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:59, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==New Page==
Can you please create a new page solely for linking to official trailers? I'm not sure how to do this. What I do is to create a link to that page, it shows up red and I edit it.:)--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

P.S. I'm working on Dead end pages and Orphaned pages.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

:Oh! Awesome! That is sweeeheet! Check out [[Help:New_article]] that I wrote :) Basically, you'll probably feel silly for not thinking of it yourself ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:03, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==Copy from D2 Wiki?==
I noticed that DW doesn't have some basic pages like [[Andariel]], but these are there in D2wiki. Can I just copy the revelant info or should I stick solely to the info released by Blizzard?--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:32, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

:Stick to info released by blizzard. Things may have changed. Also most of the info on this week needs to be confirmed so u can't copy/paste from D2W --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:51, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::Hmm, don't know. I'd say they would keep information/Lore canon; she won't suddenly be a male horned demon :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:13, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::You can use any source anywhere, as long as any speculation is clearly stated as speculation. Sources from D2W are pretty reliable, so go ahead. Do link the source in the references section though! Also, if something is debated to be true or not, make sure to point that out as well.

::In general, D2W is free to just copy. What you can do in addition to that is to check out what pages link to a certain D2W page, and change the link to a D3W page, or link to D3W for the lore. Just use [[Template:Iw]] (<nowiki>{{iw|Article_name Article name}}</nowiki> - will look like this: {{iw|Andariel Andariel}}. Since we'll keep the D3W more up to date on lore etc.

::Also, don't forget to link back to the D2W page for stats etc --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:14, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

::@Vipermagi: Blizzard has a habbit changing some parts of the lore so it would be easier for them to create "New" Things. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:47, 20 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Yes, that's why I made the [[retcon]] article ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:18, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

==Destruction of information==
You seem to have made your previous talk page disappear entirely (as in, not even an archive). Was this your intention? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:50, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

:With the new German wiki incoming, I accidentally deleted pages as I thought the wikis had been separated (try http://de.diablowiki.net/ which works, but is the same database as www). Restored it now, but lost history I think... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:05, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

::History is still there :> I initially thought you archived by deletion, to be honest. All's well and good again, anyhow :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:58, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

== About Fan Monsters ==

Hey, Leord, I have two questions about Fan Monsters:

1/ Is it possible to accept my form of monster description /the one shown in the battle.net forum/?

Here it is:

CLASS -Specify monster class - often met, rarely met, weak, tough, very tough, miniboss, boss or whatever else class you wish.

APPEARANCE - Describe how the monster looks - colours and other specific things.

SIZE - Specify the size of the monster - height/lenght and other specific things.

DESCRIPTION, BEHAVIOUR AND SKILLS - Describe the monster's behaviour, where is it met and its skills one by one.

SOUNDS - describe what sounds does your creature make.

DEATH - describe how exactly does your monster die.

ITEMS DROPPED - describe what kind of items does your monster drop when killed.

EXPERIENCE - say how much experience does your monster give when killed - few, medium, lots or whatever else you say.

2/ I think there is a mistake in your example when you tell us how to create a new fan monster in the [[Fan monster]]s category. You said that we should just type the name of the monster like http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_class:Banana_Hammock . Maybe it should be

http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_monster:Banana_Hammock ?

I just wandered if you made a mistake... Am I right?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 01:06, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

::Heya!

::'''First off:''' The idea was to make the monster articles look similar to the REAL monster articles. Like for the [[skeleton]] etc. You can make the fan monster any way you want, but I would recommend just copying [[Boilerplate:Monster/copy]], and using that as a template. If you need instructions on how to use it, check out [[Boilerplate:Monster]].

::Most of the headlines you mentioned, you can put as sub-headlines to the '''"Diablo II Monster"''' headline.

::'''Secondly:''' Yes, that was a typo, I corrected it :)

::-- 11:09, 26 October 2009 [[Leord]]

== Fan Monsters Got Started ==
Hey, Leord, I just uploaded the first fan monster. Check out the [[Fan monster:Death Claw]]. Now you can update the Fan monster category by making a category box like the fan class category. I also found a solution about my form of monster description - I added the Death Claw Detailed Description in which I describe the monster my way. See if you can edit something in the Death Claw page...

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:29, 28 October 2009 (CET)

:Hehe, it's actually the SECOND monster. You were beaten by the [[Fan monster:Brutal Beast|Brutal Beast]] by a few days ;)

:Anyway, I have added your article to the navigation, and I cleaned it up a bit, removing sections, and hiding some. Remember to use the "copy" version instead of the main boilerplate. The copy version has everything ready to go, and sections not often used are hidden.

:Other than that, looking mighty fine! :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:09, 29 October 2009 (CET)

==New Search==
Nice shiny new search bar! I like it! Works loads better. I left a message for you on my talk page.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 23:56, 2 November 2009 (CET)

== Finally!!! ==
I have some spare time now.. So... Do you have any technical problems/issues/whatever you want fixed or technical things created? Want me to start making a new layout for the frontpage? Want me to create new templates etc. etc. Give me some orders and I'll check if possible then get it done if possible ;). I'll check your page tomorrow again. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:52, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:Why start later?
:Using: [[Template:The_Key_header]] as an example. Wouldn't it be smarter to catogorize it in [[Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header]] so it would show up as Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header in RC that would make it clear about who is deleting/editing what.
::P.S: This site's lay out is <s>f*cked</s> --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:01, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:::If you put the template in (Main:)Fanmade/, you would need to use <nowiki>{{Fanmade/Template:The_Key_Header}}</nowiki> to insert it on pages. That's obscure and weird if you ask me :P It's also moved out of the Template: namespace that way. Doesn't matter too much, but usually when looking for templates used in actual articles, you look in the Template: [[Special:Prefixindex|prefix-index]], rather than that of non-existant articles ([[Fanmade]] does not exist (yet)). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:57, 9 November 2009 (CET)

:::Awesome! Nice to see you having more spare time. :) The [[Main Page]] is of course a quite sensitive topic, as it's just about the most important page on the wiki. If you have design ideas, just whip up a really simple sketch in paint or the like, and upload it for us all to see. What I'm saying it it's needs to be an open debate, so don;t spend too much time on any one idea before talking to the rest of us for input. :)

:::As Vipermagi points out, it would break the regular prefixes to use slashes in the name for templates. I know the categorisation of templates could use some work, but we're probably not going to change things too much. Also, we're likely not adding Fanmade or other prefix at the moment.

:::I'd very much appreciate if you were a little bit more specific with feedback if there is something (like the layout) that is to your disliking. Is there something actually bugged, or is it a general layout choice you dislike?

:::There's plenty of other things you can do that doesn't require input from the rest of us though! There are several monsters in the [http://www.diii.net/gallery Diii.net's gallery] that don't have their own monster pages for instance. Many of the current monsters and skills need pictures. We need to add more lore entries from the [[Diablo I Manual]], [[Diablo II Manual]], [[Diablo II: Lord of Destruction Manual]] etc. The [[Timeline]] can be filled out with mroe entries from current lore. We have [[:Category:Factions|factions]], and [[:Category:Ethnic groups|ethnic groups]] etc, that really need to have a bit more clear category structure, and navbox etc.

:::I have just updated the menus of the wiki, so you can now find almost anything you want directly from the menu. Please help with feedback on whatever could be useful. Also, let's continue to discuss the new main page, but lets not lose focus on making the wiki's *content* the best on the net as well :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:14, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::::With layout I mean de links on the navigation boxes and stuff :P. Anyways I'll start with making a new lay out in paint. And I'll create a discussion topic for it. After that I'll check out the diablo II lore because I got the manuals here. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 10:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== D2 barb skills ==

I just finished doing images for the major barb skills ;) When you have some free time, check them out and tell me what you think!
--[[User:DoomBoy|Doomboy]] 5:15pm, November 8, 2009 (PST)

:Oh man, that is fantastic! I love it, the pages look so much more alive now! Is the Monk skills next? :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:37, 9 November 2009 (CET)

== Tomb Viper ==
Do you mind if I work on a wiki for the tomb viper? What kind of creature is it? Animal or Demon?
--[[User:Butch Audacity|Butch Audacity]] 10:44 PM, Nov 8, 2009

:No, go right ahead! :) Is that a real monster from the videos, or one you have invented? If it's a real monster, just class it as Demon, I think. There's no proper classification yet, so just go with what is most likely :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:55, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::The Tomb Vipers are from the Blizzcon 2009 Demo. I tried making a page for the Tomb Vipers and I wasn't allowed to. Any suggestions? -- 04:16, 10 November 2009 Butch Audacity

:::[[Tomb Vipers]]. I added it for you, but it's very easy to create [[Help:New_article|new articles]]. Also, it's great if you sign your posts on talk pages. I think you have in the past, so I might just be rude and point it out, but if you feel unsure, check out [[Help:Talk]]. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== New Fan Monsters Added ==

Hey, Leord, how are you doing?
I have added three more monsters to the fan monster category: [[Fan monster:Black Hand Mage|Black Hand Mage]], [[Fan monster:Dark Venom|Dark Venom]] and [[Fan monster:Desert Cyclops|Desert Cyclops]].

See if there is something to edit on them and you can add them to the fan monster navbox.

What are you doing these days? Let's chat.

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 22:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey! I completely forgot to reply to this. eithe myself or someone else added your monsters to the navbox in either way. I'm fine thanks, doing work on the wiki and whatnot :) Yourself? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Well I'm fine. Now I busy myself with some fan monsters and my newest project - a joke monster called Golden Pepper. This pepper is a special one - if you eat it, you will recieve a rare or unique item. Will add it as soon as I draw the picture.

::In the meantime I'm still waiting for Holyknight3000 to put colors to some of my pictures.

::And in the university I study in - The Ecology is fine. Now we are pretty close to exam session. Must study and write course projects.

::P.S.

::Yes it was me who added the new monsters to the navbox, now that I know how to do it, I will not bother you.
::I will soon contact you for creating some new articles - "Fan Items" and "Fan characters and NPCs". But still not ready for these. --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== .uuuhm ==
While Looking at the site (The navboxes in particular). I realised that this site could use some changes. So what I wanna do is the following:
*Create a new Front page (Naming it something like /NewMainpage (can be deleted after I'm done).
*Redesigning navboxes (naming the templates with things like /NpcNavbox2 and putting them on 1 page).
*Let people think and consider if they want the old designs or the new designs.

Tell me what you think and if you're okay with it I'll start with the proces. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, I forgot to reply to you too :)

:First off, always create test pages on your user page, like <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Main_Page]]</nowiki>. Good idea is also to link to it from your user page so you don't forget that it exists. :) Secondly, I'm not really looking to make a main page overhaul, unless you have something spectacular in mind. This is why I thought just doing a quick sketch in MS Paint or whatever to let me get an idea of where you were going was smart. Other than that, It's really only "Key Pages" that's planned to be changed now when most articles are presented in the top menus.

:Navboxes are really meant to be properly redesigned using both parsing and some simple java scripts, so we can use "tabs" and the like. I'm not sure spending time on a redesign in the interim is a project well spent time on. Same there though, if you have an idea that makes tabbing of navigation obsolete, I'd love to hear/see it. Make a <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Navbox]]</nowiki> page so we can see what you're thinking.

:What we REALLY need though is improving lore pages. Regardless of if you know much about Diablo lore or not, it's usually not somethign that is required. Just open one of the manuals, look at a section, make sure any relevant words are linked up, and that any of those links include the info of that section. almost always there's a lot to add, be it new characters, locations or the like. You can also check the [[http://www.diablowiki.net/Special:Wantedpages Wantedpages]], and add articles that way.

:A second thing we really need is images. Loads of pages, like [[Lut Gholein]] could use mroe descriptive imagery, and especially the [[skill]]s. All skills should have at least one image on them each.

:So, basically, show us your ideas before you start spending loads of time into coding a main page or a new navbox, and let everyone comment on it, then go. In the meanwhile, there's loads of other work needing to be done in the wiki that is just as important. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Sigh I'm having a little time out again since both my laptop and my desktop are broken (what are the odds of that??). --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 14:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Massive ouchness! :) Well, doodle a bit on a piece of paper on your planned designs, so you can do it quickly when you have access to a proper PC, or check out the manuals and look at the missing pages etc. Plan ahead ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== OMG ==

Hey, Leord, what is that long menu that stretches from the sky to the ground in the wiki site? It's quite uncomfortable. I wonder if someone has edited the site without permission. What is happening?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:Server issues, I presume. That huge list is actually the discrete navmenu you see at the top :P It's back to normal for me now.
:Additionally, I noticed this when it was a long list: [http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/Bakmachien/comw.jpg link]. Comw? Trying to navigate to that adress returns nothing, by the way (that could also be the problem: It couldn't find the server and thus exploded the style sheet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::Phew! It's back to normal to me too. Let's hope it doesn't happen again.
::BTW My English is not good enough. I want to ask you: what is the plural of "mage"? is it "magi" or "mages"? --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Either works (ex1: Mages of the Vizjerei clan, ex2: Skin of the Vipermagi). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 22:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Hey guys! Yes, I did not know they were moving the domains this weekend. I would really have wished to be there to help out, but it seems all is working now, anyway. That "comw", is that still occurring? obviously a typo if so...

::::Also; Feel free to use "Mages" or "Magi" as you see fit. "Magi" is really a more "traditional" name, like you would find in old scrolls, and "Mages" is a more commonly used name that the average farmer would use :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Having Fun? ==
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Unique to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Unique
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Uniques to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Uniques 
Creatively acquiring redirects, or what? :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hehe, making redirects without the redirect pages show up in the front page Wiki feed :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::Cleaned up [[special:doubleredirects]]; now it's filled with ''other'' redirects anyhow (which now work properly!) :D Sorry about that. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Cheers, very handy :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::You edit-conflicted me D: I was going to add "Random thought that popped up in my mind: Could the feed be filtered to only show non-minor edits? I've taped down my minor edit button since I don't make major edits often (more convenient to untick the box once every aeon to indicate a major edit than vice versa), so all but one of those edits would be filtered from the feed (it unticked for one edit, somehow). ", but I think I've changed my mind. Oh wait... ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Good point, I have no idea. I do the same thing. Sure, there's an error here or there then, when it IS a bigger edit, but something I can live with. It will be less errors this way. Is this a filter that's possible in a wiki? Otherwise it will be having to wait for a new page we were thinking of creating, listing wiki changes etc.

:::::BTW, we REALLY need to be able to use images without them linking to themselves all the time. Did you know how to fix that? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Well, in RC you can filter out Minor edits with a toggle (add &hideminor=1, or click the button in RC Options, second row). I have no idea how the feed works exactly, though, so I don't know what would and wouldn't work.
::::::As for the images: Do you mean that the images are effectively hyperlinks to the image's page? I've seen a method to make the image link to the current page, but it's irreliable (it doesn't like namespaces much...); I'll ask around to see if there's a simple method that doesn't mess up. Do you want a brute image link disable (i.e. images simple never link), or a case-by-case application? I don't know if the former is possible, but who knows. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Case-by-case was a rather obvious one: [[image:wiki.png|link=|30px]]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::: Testing [[image:wiki.png|link=http://www.diablowiki.net/|30px]]. That's an amazing find! Must have been implemented in the latest upgrade Paul did. I remember trying it out before and it not working. That is bloody awesome! It was exactly what I needed! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

==Bye!==
Leord, thanks for making me feel so welcome during my time here. Due to an unfortunate encounter with Thyiad in the SPF, I won't be returning. Good luck with the wiki. -- 20:20, 29 November 2009 JMJimmy
: Single Player Forum I suppose? From which site? I kind of assume you mean Diii.net, but why? Thyiad is not here on DW, and if you look at the main menu (perhaps you need Ctrl+F5), we've even removed that connection to Diii.net. We're linking all sites that help the wiki on the front page, which Diii.net is included, but we're our own wiki.

: You have been a great help here, and it seems very silly to leave the budding DW community for something happening on another site... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== *cough* ==
[[User_talk:Vipermagi#Java_etc|Severe cold]], sorry *cough* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

==Problem uploading image==
Hey Leord, I recently edited the Legacy of blood page and wanted to upload and image of the book cover however i encountered a problem. I either get: The file has no extension (like ".jpg"). or that i uploaded an empty file. But the file does have an extension (tried .jpg .png and .gif) and there is a file, I've tried several diffrent versions also (various sources including my own copy).Any ideas? --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 15:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:Does the path in the Source field have an extension, and does the Filename have the same extension? Additionally, when you receive an error and use the Back button in your browser, it's best to refresh the page to avoid problems. The wiki software doesn't quite like cached results ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for the reply, Viper! If I was you, Zukker, I'd put in the code in the page first, save it, and then click the red link of the image to upload it. That way it's usually right. Just remember to have the file ending the SAME both for the actual file and in the code, like Viper said. Awesome job so far! :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Ah viper i'll try that. Leord thats exactly what i did and i ran into problems. Alright that didn't work either, the extension is the same and the filename is the same...i'm pondering why this won't work :( --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 18:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Hmm... I just uploaded [[:File:Four pixels of awesome.jpg|this]] image. What extension does the image have? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::It's worked before that's the weird thing. The file is a normal .jpg, but tried both .gif and .png --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 19:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::EDIT: Now it seemed to work...when i manually went to the upload page...awell

::::::Still very weird. Can you send it to my e-mail? Leord at incgamers dot com, and I'll do the same, just to see of there's a difference. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::::On a related note, check out my next topic below this one. I have uploaded a pic, and it works fine, but it refuses to work in the Gallery scripts. WTH?! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:39, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

==Why Doesn't This Work?!==
<gallery>
File:Tyreal portrait.jpg|test
</gallery>
When I re-uploaded it even displayed in a box just like the gallery boxes. I have no clue why it doesn't work! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

:Typo in the image name; Tyreal over Tyrael. Fixed :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

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==Welcome 2==
I had to archive my talk page, it was getting too long. Welcome to the new one, feel free to leave any messages at the bottom of the page!

You can find the old one [[User talk:Leord/1|here]]. Please don't edit that one! :P If you want to continue on older topics, make a new one and bring it up like if it was a new one. I brought over a few topics that are a bit recent.

Cheers! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:34, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

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== Appreciation ==
Thank you for the touch-ups you did to the Alchemist page. As an English major, I was in agony over making such a mistake as putting "theirselves". If there are any other problems with the page, please feel free to correct them. I have not had much experience in writing webpages, but I am learning. Also, if you have any ideas, I am very open to imput. I do have a question: Is '''diablowiki.net''' connected to '''diii.net'''? I have noticed that my Alchemist page has appeared there as well, I wanted to make sure they were allowed to do so. -- 21:25, 8 July 2009 [[User:Kire|Kire]]
: You're quite welcome! :) Any edits in the wiki, you can get help in the [[Help|help section]]. As for Talk page comments, you can simply sign them with the press of a key, more info [[Help:Talk|here]].
: Diii.net is running DiabloWiki, but the contribs here does not necessarily have any connections with Diii.net. As for classes, do you mean [http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?t=731429 this one]? Doesn't look like it's the same, other than the name. :) As for "allowed", I am not sure what you mean. It's the internet, and you probably don't have a trademark for Alchemist. ;) Other than that, we don't impose any special user rights other than normal law. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:49, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::For what I can find, anything on this Wiki is completely uncopyrighted, so it's basically right-to-copy.
::Somewhat related is the message above the Summary bar; "(see [[Project:Copyrights]] for details)". Redlink, oops? ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:31, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::I know there are some rights reserved, for legal reasons etc. But over all, it's a pretty open affair :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:41, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::::Thanks again for clearing that up! And I do recognize that people are free to copy and edit anything on the site, so I'm not trying to lay claim to it. Sorry if I sounded like a jealous user -I think I was just shocked to see links to the Alchemist page on other sites so quickly. I need to also thank you for the link you gave me to the forum at Diii.net on Alchemists. I am now in touch with users with similar interests to my own! --[[User:Kire|Kire]] 11:27, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool! Yeah, things I do tend to get popular quick. Great to be back online as well. Been a horrible 2 odd weeks! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Skill template ==
Holidays are boring. 
Do you know approx. what skill pages you've created? I can spend some hours creating pages, since I have little better to do :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 00:02, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:While I possibly have your attention: [[Special:Contributions/AlgetMonco]] → Vandal that dislikes you. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:29, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:: Noticed. He's blocked now. I don't know if that helps. thatnks for keeping my talk page clean. Need to start archiving now as well :P

:: As for the skills, it's pretty easy to see which ones are made by looking at the skill navboxes for the wizard. I am literally doing one tree at the time, going through it from first to last :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:::When I get some free time again (preparing for a LAN weekend atm :) ) I'll start with the Barbarian. *writes a note on his desktop* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:02, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

::::Absolutely awesome. As we finalize these, we'll start making more wiki updates on the front of Diii.net as well. We took a big hit for the downtime, no time to spare to get it back! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:04, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Synnargeez ==
[[Conjured_Health#Synergies]]. CH synergizes with Mirror Image, not the other way around; I figured that header would be for skills that synergize with the skill you're looking at? Makes more sense to me. What's your thoughts on this case? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:24, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:Well, my idea was to have the term "synergy" to basically list all spells that are directly related. I'm using an old term because people are familiar with it. I am fairly certain there will be no "generally synergistic" spells like in Diablo II. You will have the 1 Rank spells (for Wizard) and then the 15 rank Skills. Possibly 2-15 varies between skills, but that basic design. A bit like skills and talents in one tree, talking in WoW terms (I should make an article about that!). --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:What do you think? I am very open for suggestions at this stage :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::I just find listing affected skills on passives a bit redundant, since the direct effect is listed in both Background and Description.
::Also, on skill ranks: Base will be 5 max, and it's possible to get a higher cap (10 and 15) for an X amount of skills (unknown X). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:51, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::We'll see about the base. Most Wizard skills are 15. As for listing, I like it. It's like the official list with all things affecting or affected by it. If someone wants to reference a spell, it's great to have it in a standardised place, if you can't be bothered to look for the link in BG/Description etc. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:58, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::::A Bashiok quote on skill point caps:
:One important addition to this is the skill caps themselves. Currently we're envisioning the majority of skills to be capped at 5 points, to begin with. As a form of progression we're planning for players to be able to increase the point caps of skills. More than likely to a maximum of 15. It's a system that's still under heavy design, but the fact of choosing and increasing key skills beyond their initial cap is important to this new unified tier system.</pre>
::::So, most Wizard skills are actually 5 :P
::::As for the list: Okay. It's not like I'll die over the redundancy :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:25, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool. We'll we will have to update this as we move along. Could you make a short paragraph in the [[skill]]s article about the tier system? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:27, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

==Skill / Skill tree / Tier==
[[Skill#Earlier_Info]] has a link to [[Skill_tree]] which has info on Skill [[tier]]s.

We could either split up Skill tree and Tier into two articles, or keep it on one page. I'm fine with either (leaning slightly towards one page; A lot of small pages tend to be harder to navigate). Pick your poison. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:33, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:I was almost thinking we should include all pages to one, like [[skill]]s and [[skill tree]]s really are very closely related. either that, or a lot more interlinking and some sort of navigation. That page would be pretty long though...
:If we just try to summarize the quotes a bit (since wikipedia and other wikis don't really quote much anyway), it would make the article a lot shorter... What are your thoughts? As it is now, it's definitely a little bit too confusing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:32, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

::Just dumping the info on both pages together would make a huge article, yes, but it would have a ton of redundancy too. The page won't be all that long once you remove all the duplicate information (that's another pro of having 1 page over several: Less repeated info :) ). Then again, when is a page long, and when is it not?
::We could make one page in the userspace or wherever to see how long it'd be after removing all redundancy. It would also be a better page for format testing than the page the site's visitors read ;)
::In the end I'm for one page and redirects to that page (and headers on that page if they work). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:58, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::Oki, I agree. You think you got tome to do it? My next major DW push will be skills again. --17:14, 10 August 2009 Leord

::::I have a lot of Tomes to do stuff ;) Will get to skill pages tomorrow. by the way.
::::[[User:Vipermagi/Skill]] and [[User:Vipermagi/Skill2]]. The first is done (unless there's information missing currently?), the latter is not (yet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:15, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Looks very good. We will implement it a bit later then. :) One thing I didn't understand: What's left to do? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

I have deleted [[skill tree]] and made all info on it available on [[Skill]] instead. It makes more sense, who would look at "skill tree" for that info anyway? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 19:03, 16 September 2009 (CEST)

==Skill table==
[[Power of the Battlemaster]] now just has a bulleted list of it's effect. The header is misleading though, as it promised a table. Ideas? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 11 August 2009 (CEST)

:Yes, that's true. The idea is to have a table there in the future, and a bullet point list is what we do before we have proper info. I'd say we keep the name atm. Just so it fits when it's all "upgraded" properly.

:On a sidenote, don't write <void> on Description. Just write what is known. Look at the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] article, and use that as inspiration. You can always write something. Also, a little blurb at the top of the page is good as well. Just take the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] one, and replace class, skills, and then add a few words at the end of it :) This will also make sure to put the infobox underneath the ad.

:You can also add "(presumed)" for rank 4 and 5 of the skill, like I did with many of the arcane skills. If you have 3 ranks info, then you can probably figure out the other ranks stats. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

==Im back, baby!==

Hey leord, im back... was absent because there werent any juicy news about diablo 3, so i went away... im like a bear, i do my thing during specific times... Anyway i have a few suggestions, then im off to editing some articles and adding new ones...http://www.diablowiki.net/skins/common/images/button_sig.png

A: This wiki needs an IRC channel, hosted on quakenet, if possible, it would be much easier for editors/people to go to the channel, and ask questions there... like how to edit articles, or to report any mistakes that we might have made... please say yes

B: There is no B...

C: No C too...

-- 12:53, 20 August 2009 DxAxxxTyriel

: Hey man, nice to see you! :) At the moment, we don't have a IRC channel, but some sort of chat will come up later on. At the moment, I am mostly in the #StarcraftWire channel on Quakenet! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:54, 20 August 2009 (CEST)

==Monk==
Hey dude, you mind if i do the Monk Class? i saw the Diablo 3 panel and WoW:C panels on Ustream, from a guy who was streaming the Pay-per-view thing.... can i? i have many pictures. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 00:53, 22 August 2009 (CEST)

:Dude! Bloody good job on the Monk! And never ask permission to do anything in the wiki ;) You are always free to do anything (except mupping up content, ofc)! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:19, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

:Thx mate. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 15:56, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

== Meli back.... ==

Hi Leord,

I am back to do updates to both Wizard and Monk, from the large news posts on diii.net which detail the full skill trees. Alot to throw out and alot to add. I will leave all the skill pages that are becoming obsolete for the moment just as they. Might be reuseable when they change skill setup again. Otherwise i am updateing all the related pages and also navigation boxes where needed.

Been fiddling with Witch doctor and Wizard already. Will take 1-2 evenings to get it all done though.

regards, meli --[[User:Melianor|Melianor]] 13:57, 31 August 2009 (CEST)

:Hello Melianor, great to see you! (and the great updates!)

:Yes, we'll keep/make skills of the old skills, but put them in an archive of some sort later on, so don't set any of them for deletion! :) I will join you in editing in a few minutes ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:34, 1 September 2009 (CEST)

== FAQ ==
[[FAQ]] changed ever so slighty. You can reach it's old contents [http://www.diablowiki.net/FAQ&action=edit here]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:25, 3 September 2009 (CEST)

:Weird. I know the /FAQ is some special page in the wiki, not a regular article... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:45, 4 September 2009 (CEST)

:[[Diablo III FAQ]]: this is the actual FAQ. the [[FAQ]] article is some sort of special Wiki thing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:15, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::I know; that's why I linked you to the &edit page, so you could access the old information. I didn't know wether you might wanted to transplant it :> The DIII Faq has the same information, though, so I suppose you don't need it anymore. [[FAQ]] is also unlinked beyond this page, so all is well. Redirecting it didn't work, sadly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:33, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::Yeh, no I think I tried fiddling with it last year, and gave up, adding a new FAQ with another name :) If you find out how to make use of [[FAQ]], don't be shy :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:13, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::::I can tell you no other wiki I visit uses the FAQ page at all (page never created), and none of those have the odd plain text. Since I can't: Maybe try a delete? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:41, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::::It will likely just delete the article I made. The thing is, the site obviously redirects the [[FAQ]] url to some other place than the actual article. I have no idea why. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 20:08, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

== Some Problem... ==
A fan class has been popping up in all the class pages. I removed the links, and think it's just a mistake on the author's path. Maybe some editing is the Class Template page.Please check it out.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 05:47, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

: After LOTS of problems, I fixed it all. I left messages a little bit of everywhere to explain it :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

== New Fanmade Content ==

Hello everyone! 
I am a self-taught artist. I just signed in Diablo Wiki and I still don't know how to operate here. I was invited here by Targetgamer. I have many ideas about Diablo 3 and I have posted them in the Battle.net forums. Targretgamer read them and invited me here. As soon i get used to the tools here I will post my ideas on this site. In the meantime you can see my ideas in the battle.net forums. I have ideas in both Suggestions and Diablo 3 forums. Some people there think that I am a spammer, because my post are too long. I hope that people here will be more patient and read more of my ideas. 
Here are some links 

A proposal for a new duel system in Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18031101457&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior - New class proposition:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550662&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior /Shinobi/ skills:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18313393127&sid=3000

New Monster Propositions with Concept Art for Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=20133925237&sid=3000

Read some of my ideas and maybe post your opinion in the forum.

Hello, its Veskin7 Bukito again. 
I forgot to add the last post. 
View my idea for a new continent meant to be added in Diablo 3 expansion 
Here is the link to the Diablo 3 forum:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550680&sid=3000

Enjoy!

-- Veskin7 Bukito 20:34, 29 September 2009

: OH, awesome! I am actually Targetgamer on Battle.net. It's my old Starcraft nickname, but I go by Leord on most other places.

: First off, general ideas and stuff is hard to add to the wiki, unless they have a popular support. However, stuff like monsters, we can make a page for, that looks like an official monster, but is more like a fan idea. I did this with [[fan class]]es, which has turned out marvellous. So basically, we could make a [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior. Just go to [[Fan class:Dragon Warrior]], where I pasted a standardised text you can help me fill out.

: You have basically everything ready to go, so it will mostly be copy+pasting. The standard text uses Wizard mostly, so you need to replace any Wizard skill names etc with Dragon Warrior skills. Now, if you have any self-made concept art, check out the help page called [[Help:Image]], and add them to the wiki.

: The background of the class needs more breaks, so it's not just one block of text. You need more air in it. Also, since [[Lut Gholein]] etc are real places, and [[Abd al-Hazir]] really exist in the gameworld, you can easily link to them in the wiki! Just check [[Help:Markup]] for how to make links!

: If you need help, myself and others are around. Just post a comment on my talk page, most people follow that. My idea is that when you made a proper [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior, we'll move on to the monsters, and we'll create a system to make fan monsters as well. That way you get a dedicated page with a good design on the biggest Diablo info database, and you can easily link it on Battle.net forums, or other Diablo fan forums.

: It's good if you fiddle around a bit before we start making a new type of page though :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:23, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:: Also! I just thought about that wonderful map you made. I doubt enough other people will make additional world maps to be an actual new section of the wiki, but what you can do is heading over to [http://www.diii.net/ Diii.net], which is the biggest Diablo fansite, and posting it in their [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=503 fan art gallery] and in the forum. I know Bashiok has said he visits the page. Same with the duel system suggestion. You will likely get much better discussion than on Battle.net, where there is a lot of trolls. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:30, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:::'''Thank you!'''
:::Thank you, Leord! I am really happy that you appreciate my effords.
:::My goal is to make Blizzard create the things I've invented or at least get their attention.
:::I will we very grateful if you help me with this.
:::I will be able to edit the Dragon Warrior, but this will happen after some days. I actually am a fan without PC - I have played Blizzard games in internet clubs and I post my stuff from a friend's computer, but I can visit him per two days for just 3 hours a day. That's why I will ask you to edit the page if you don't want to wait for me. You can contact me on my E-mail /listed on my profile/ to receive further information about the Dragon Warrior skills and different skill tree names which I heve not invented yet.
:::I'll be in touch. -- 20:29, 30 September 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

::::Cool man :)

::::I am unfortunately busy doing other things at the wiki, but I did start up the [[Fan class]] program here together with [[Holyknight3000]]. I can help you with technical stuff, but the actual content you need to add yourself. How come you don't have internet? o.O

::::Nice to see you around anyway, and just leave a message here if you have any questions or concerns. If you finish off the Dragon Warrior, I'll make sure to create a nice template for how to make monster after! :)

::::Also, don;t forget to sign your posts. If you are unsure how, check out [[Help:Talk]]. ;)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:43, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::I removed some of your links. Check the [[Talk:Fan class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior talk page]]. Also, I think you should upload the images. Check [[Help:Image]]s for help, or ask me :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

== Diablo3wiki.org ==
Actually I didn't start a new wiki. It was already there. And I already have contributed on that wiki alot. I kinda tried to ressurect it from the dead, but I think that the wiki is a lost cause.
I'll gladly contribute to this wiki. And if you need the help to manage this wiki, you can count me in. I do have some wiki experience(most of it is style related).

:I guess I'll just ask if they can delete/merge diablo3wiki.org --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:20, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

::Awesome! :) I am so happy! We're not that many wiki enthusiasts that also like Diablo, so it seems silly to split the effort. Also, the DiabloWiki.net has roots back to 1998, with old Diabloii.net's info pages. A lot here is on Diablo2.Diablowiki.net, and info has been around for a decade.

::Lots of it needs a facelift though, and lots of D3 info that needs adding :)

::I'd say you should try to get www.diablo3wiki.org changed to redirect to DiabloWiki.net, and then just leave the Diablo 3 wiki on wikia. If anyone else finds it there and start edits, perhaps we can add them to the greater project here as well, like Vipermagi and you!

::I'll start looking through all pages on Diablo3.wikia and try to get anything I can, besides images. Perhaps you can do a second trip to make sure we're not missing out on anything good? Next job here in DiabloWiki will be to update all [[monster]] pages to make sure they all use the [[Boilerplate:Monster|boilerplate]], and also add monsters we have concept art of, but no names. Best to have them in here, and we can just rename them and add some info if Blizz release lore material for it. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:44, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Do you work with Stub categories here? Or is it just search and rescue? If it is the last one I can upload stub templates. It's a bit easier because all still to be edited pages will all be put in one category --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:27, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::There is just one Stub type category here at the moment. If you would like to help out making the art of stubbing more advanced, that sounds like a lovely idea. Make sure to explain any new stuff you make on the [[Help:Stub]] page as well. Easier to tell people what is new with that.

::::I have been meaning to do a stub facelift for ages, but I've not had the chance. Also, Templates in general need to be better categorised etc. You can see my work at structuring the wiki on [[Help:Structure]]. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:31, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::By the way, I looked through the wiki, and added a little info on the [[Deckard Cain]] article, and some other minor things. Good to know we got it covered. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:23, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

==Gameplan==
Uhm maybe it's a smart Idea to copy some templates from wikia. Or at least look if we can use some, or just look for Ideas?? :P --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 17:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:Yeah, sure, for ideas if nothing else. I'd rather look at Wikipedia for guidance, though... My main point here was more the categorisation etc. But feel free to do it however you want.

:As for templates, they are currently working pretty good, we just need to increase more navboxes, and my point was if we should categorise the templates, not so much taking anything from Wikia. :) What do you think? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:25, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::Well catogorizing them should be no problem. Since collecting+updating our wikicontent wouldn't be much of a problem. I'd like to look for new styles. Because the first think I see when I go to main page (it might be just me) is a big mess. Only when I take a better look I find info. So we need to do something about that. If you like I can try making a entire new Mainpage (or entire new skin). Not that this skin is bad, it's good.. in fact it is very good. But it still can be perfected. And I'd like to start helping this wiki by making it easy to read/easy to find/easy to see info. Tell me what you think of it/what your gameplan is. I'd probably tag in on ya --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 18:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Remaking it completely seems like a very big job for something that isn't sure to have a great effect. I know we currently lack good navigation as it is. What would you primarily like to change on the front page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:18, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::For starters? Less links. and maybe lose the how to help and/or the did you know part? That makes it a lot easier to read --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 19:59, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Personally don't mind the HtH/DYK? sections. I do agree on the links-to-text ratio. It's a big brick of links currently. Changing the skill tree lists to a small line or note like the following could work:
<pre>For information on [[character]] [[skills]], check out the following pages:
*[[Barbarian Skills]]
*[[Monk Skills]]
*etc.</pre>
:::::I'd be more inclined to read text than links myself.
:::::On the other hand, I never use the main page (RC is my navigation tool), so I might not be the one to ask for help on organisation ^^" Meh, you guys decide what you want and I'll be fine with it regardless (unless you make it pink or blue). Just spouting ideas around randomly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:08, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::::What about
{|Border=1;width=33%;
|Character classes
|-
|
*[[Barbarian]] ([[Barbarian_skills|skills]])
*[[Monk]] ([[Monk_skills|skills]])
*[[Wizard]] ([[Wizard_skills|skills]])
*[[Witch Doctor]] ([[Witch_Doctor_skills|skills]])
*[[Archivist]] ([[Archivist_skills|skills]])
*[[Other classes|Unanounced Classes]]
|}

Simplicity is the best. And don't forget: The Mainpage is your trademark... If it's F-ed up they think the wiki is F-ed up.
::::::And for creating a new template we can also put that as a side project. When there is nothing to do... God bless boredom --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 20:34, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::There are several advantages with having it there. It's easy navigation if you go there etc. The question is how much it's used. I took the idea from some other big wiki ages past. The thing is, I just got access to the top menus, perhaps we should just put it in there, with dropdowns for stuff, and put something like "How to find info" in the links section, pointing people up to the menu? In the meanwhile, I am going to finish off the last Wizard skills now. You're all very welcome to help out, just check the [[Boilerplate:Skill]] --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::: There is a planned nav box for the left hand side which I was discussing with one of the other admins over the weekend. We were thinking of offering two skins. This one with some tweakage to volume of links and another with the main navigation being on the left, as is standard, both on the main page and within. This would allow us to take even more links off the body and leave that more for features. I agree the 'How to' could be trimmed right back, maybe even just to a small box with "How to help" and some essential links to orientate newcomers.

:::::::: I like the 'Did you know' feature. As long as it has slightly more obscure facts I think people like it. --[[User:Elly|Elly]] 17:54, 5 October 2009 (CEST) 

:::::::::I think a more organized main page would be nice. When you think about it, a lot of the page is everywhere. yes it is organized, but i think a more improved main page would be nice, and whatever template/style you guys choose i think will be fine.--[[User:Holyknight3000|holyknight3000]] 07:24, 6 October 2009 (CEST) 

::::::::::If anyone wants to make some test main pages that are improved that would be helpful -- [[User:Elly|Elly]] 23:35, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

===Plans Right Now===
What we'll do for right now then, I think, is making the new menu changes to the top of the wiki, and see what rush comes up with for the classic skin. When we have that done, we'll see what the front page could need in terms of change.

In the meanwhile, it could be cool to hear suggestion on how to change the "how to help" section, and also perhaps list a good menu structure for the top of the page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:37, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:I just realized I made some notes on that:
:''We need a "Help Out" tab, with links to wanted pages etc, and also to help. Perhaps rename/remove Quick Links.''
:--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:40, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

== Some suggestiond and one idea ==

Hey Leord, how are you?
First I'm going to answer your question on why I have no computer and Internet - the answer is simple - poverty. I am a poor student that gets a scholarship of 60 euro per month. My parents have retired and get some pensions of 150 euro per month each. The money is just not enough to buy a PC. But we don't give up. My brother and I will econcmize money an after six months maybe we'll buy one computer. Until then I'm just gonna sit in Internet clubs.

I have a suggestion about the picture upload. Can you do this?: When you type <add picture> a dialog box appears and allows you to browse your computer and upload the file in the <add picture> location. Is it possible to be programmed? I am pretty sure that it is.

And the idea:

I wandered what to do so the efforts of the fans with the fan classes not to go in vain. And here is what I invented:
Why don't we offer Blizzard to make an entirely new Diablo game called Diablo 3 Fan Edition? It will contain classes and monsters made by fans and there will also be an entirely new continent /Angarock/ for the story of the game, made by fans /me/. The contributing fans may do the beta testing and stuff.

What do you think?

--16:25, 6 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

:Ah, sorry to hear about that, Veskin7 Bukito, and I hope it works out for you and your brother :)

:Yes, it's easy enough to upload images, but you do it slightly different. Check out [[Help:Image]]s. I have written the article to help people adding images. What you do then is almost exactly what you said. :)

:Fan classes, fan art, fan fiction and all things created by fans will never be done in vain. It's an integral part of the community, and it's the kind of stuff Blizzard takes inspiration from when they create thing in the game. We can definitely ask them to make these classes in some special edition, but the primary reason we put them here is to tantalize and be fun for the community. The development time to even make ONE of these fan classes to a real hero is pretty big, and they would not do it unless they felt enough thousands of people would buy in to it.

:They generally don't take entire ideas by people for their content, but are ''inspired''. However, if the fan classes by fans are added here, they will be left on the internet permanently, and perhaps inspiring Blizzard in upcoming expansions or perhaps Diablo 4 some time in 10 years. :) The whole reason I started encouraging fans to add their work here is so that it should not have been done in vain. It will always be here, available for fans and Blizzard alike.

:Never think all your work is in vain! You have shown that you have an open and active imagination, and is capable of writing. Perhaps your ideas will inspire Blizzard, perhaps not, but it's not that important, because you can create more!

:Perhaps you should consider trying to write fan fiction based on [[Sanctuary]], and the official world, or some short story about one of the countries in your Angarock continent? Either way, I think you should concentrate on making it as nice and detailed as possible, and available on DiabloWiki, so you can link it to people in the community or perhaps to friends on MSN etc. :) Give it a proper home, and make sure it's very nice and polished. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:41, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:Re, image idea: It ''may'' possible, but it takes a lot of time to make it work without bugging up, and we'd need to find someone extremely skilled and willing. We're better off directing people to [[special:upload]]/[[help:Image]]. An image needs it's own page, so the script will have to:
:* Recognise the <add image> 'tag'
:* Pop up a window that only looks for .jpegs/etc. by default
:* Pop a window that asks for the page name*
:* Check if the name isn't taken**
:* Upload the image under the chosen name
:** Possibly add proper tags/categories
:* Replace <add picture> with the proper link.
: *= If everyone uploads images without a descriptive name, it's hard to discern one from another. This also causes naming conflicts; When an image is uploaded to a name that is already used, it will override/remove the old image. This can be reverted, but it's a hassle.
: **=An image database is usually not fully up to date. The wiki software is hardcoded to flush the lists (i.e. update) once a day. Since the list is most likely not up to date, it's possible the script doesn't notice an image name is taken, and thus uploads the image over the old image.
:Additionally, the script will slow down page loading somewhat, which is more often than not unnecessary. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:01, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

::Aha, now I understand :) Now we're not going to add such a script. Perhaps later, when other critical; things are fixed. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:24, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Writing such a script shouldn't be such a problem. But Viper is right what we need are a few people that script for this wiki. We have enough people to add the content (for the moment). I don't know if any1 here has acces to the scripts? But the person that you want to add those scripts should have it. And also Leord, if u want me to redesign some of the wiki parts (like the mainpage) maybe you should give me some rights as well?
:::The scripting: I think we should wait a bit with that. Untill we have the correct style and everything
:::P.S; the reason I don't react that often/update content atm is because I am a bit busy with school.. Will change in a couple of days --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:52, 7 October 2009 (CEST)
::::edit: I'd also like to see a few functions on this wiki but like Leord said we first need to do the primary things and then think about the secondary things --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:55, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Awesome. As for the script specifically, I just can't see the need for it, and creating a new possible way for hackers to try and gain access to the site (yes, we're often under attack) isn't a positive either. Not saying anyone here would fail at the scripting, just saying the more ways there are to upload stuff or do ANYTHING on the server, the more possible security holes appear.

:::::Good to know we'll see more of you soon, fighter :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:41, 8 October 2009 (CEST)

== Let's do it! ==

Hey, Leord!
The page of the Dragon Warrior is almost complete. I only have to add some skills and the pictures.

BTW can we proceed with creating Fan Monsters page?

And one more question: Do I create a new topic in the Battle.net forums called "Diablo 3 Fan Edition" and describe the idea and add links? I suggest there should be a vote for different classes, so Blizzard pick and create the best, and also a vote for creating Angarock. When I have more time, I will describe the idea thoroughly. -- 20:19, 11 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

: Hello!
: First off, you need to sign your talk page posts. Check out [[Help:Talk]] on how to do that :)
: Secondly, I want you to understand that you will likely not get a great strong reaction from asking people about this, other than admiration from doing a great job. Most likely, Blizzard will not create new classes or continents 100% based on fan input. Among reasons include the legal one: If they would take your world, they would have to pay you copyright money. So. Instead, they will *possibly* take some inspiration from you, and other fan artists, and make their own stuff.
: So, I really like the Fan Monster idea, and I'll get on it later today probably, but it will be hard to get Blizzard to use material created by fans.
: Having said that, it would be really cool with a fan class contest! Like, people make Fan Classes on DW.net, and we decide a winner. Then, hopefully, Blizzard takes note of it, and perhaps incorporate some of those ideas in the game later on! However, it would be cool with some sort of prize then... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:52, 12 October 2009 (CEST)

== The Aurian Mage project ==
Hello, Leord. 
I have been working on a new Fan class called Aurian Mage. I invented more than 30 skills for one night and the class is almost ready. 
Can you please create a sample fan class page called Fan Class:Aurian Mage and add link to the fan classs category, just like you did with the Dragon Warrior?

Thank you.

Veskin7 Bukito 15 October 2009

:Awesome! Oki, I created the [[Fan class:Aurian Mage|Aurian Mage]], and it's ready to go. Just remember to make a sub-page for any links you create, like on the [[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior]]. Meaning a <nowiki>[[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior/Skill Tree 1]]</nowiki> for example. :) Mind you, I have added it to the Fan class category, but it's not visible in the navigation box until you're done. I'll make it visible as soon as you added your info :)

:Also, you can easily make name + time stamp on any talk page posts you make by adding "<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>" at the end. When you press submit, the site recognises that string and replaces it with name + time + date :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:58, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

::Another thing. When you're done, don't forget to make a post on Battle.net about it. I'll help you bump the thread there if you give me the url ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:59, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==New Page==
Can you please create a new page solely for linking to official trailers? I'm not sure how to do this. What I do is to create a link to that page, it shows up red and I edit it.:)--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

P.S. I'm working on Dead end pages and Orphaned pages.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

:Oh! Awesome! That is sweeeheet! Check out [[Help:New_article]] that I wrote :) Basically, you'll probably feel silly for not thinking of it yourself ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:03, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==Copy from D2 Wiki?==
I noticed that DW doesn't have some basic pages like [[Andariel]], but these are there in D2wiki. Can I just copy the revelant info or should I stick solely to the info released by Blizzard?--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:32, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

:Stick to info released by blizzard. Things may have changed. Also most of the info on this week needs to be confirmed so u can't copy/paste from D2W --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:51, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::Hmm, don't know. I'd say they would keep information/Lore canon; she won't suddenly be a male horned demon :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:13, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::You can use any source anywhere, as long as any speculation is clearly stated as speculation. Sources from D2W are pretty reliable, so go ahead. Do link the source in the references section though! Also, if something is debated to be true or not, make sure to point that out as well.

::In general, D2W is free to just copy. What you can do in addition to that is to check out what pages link to a certain D2W page, and change the link to a D3W page, or link to D3W for the lore. Just use [[Template:Iw]] (<nowiki>{{iw|Article_name Article name}}</nowiki> - will look like this: {{iw|Andariel Andariel}}. Since we'll keep the D3W more up to date on lore etc.

::Also, don't forget to link back to the D2W page for stats etc --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:14, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

::@Vipermagi: Blizzard has a habbit changing some parts of the lore so it would be easier for them to create "New" Things. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:47, 20 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Yes, that's why I made the [[retcon]] article ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:18, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

==Destruction of information==
You seem to have made your previous talk page disappear entirely (as in, not even an archive). Was this your intention? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:50, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

:With the new German wiki incoming, I accidentally deleted pages as I thought the wikis had been separated (try http://de.diablowiki.net/ which works, but is the same database as www). Restored it now, but lost history I think... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:05, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

::History is still there :> I initially thought you archived by deletion, to be honest. All's well and good again, anyhow :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:58, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

== About Fan Monsters ==

Hey, Leord, I have two questions about Fan Monsters:

1/ Is it possible to accept my form of monster description /the one shown in the battle.net forum/?

Here it is:

CLASS -Specify monster class - often met, rarely met, weak, tough, very tough, miniboss, boss or whatever else class you wish.

APPEARANCE - Describe how the monster looks - colours and other specific things.

SIZE - Specify the size of the monster - height/lenght and other specific things.

DESCRIPTION, BEHAVIOUR AND SKILLS - Describe the monster's behaviour, where is it met and its skills one by one.

SOUNDS - describe what sounds does your creature make.

DEATH - describe how exactly does your monster die.

ITEMS DROPPED - describe what kind of items does your monster drop when killed.

EXPERIENCE - say how much experience does your monster give when killed - few, medium, lots or whatever else you say.

2/ I think there is a mistake in your example when you tell us how to create a new fan monster in the [[Fan monster]]s category. You said that we should just type the name of the monster like http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_class:Banana_Hammock . Maybe it should be

http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_monster:Banana_Hammock ?

I just wandered if you made a mistake... Am I right?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 01:06, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

::Heya!

::'''First off:''' The idea was to make the monster articles look similar to the REAL monster articles. Like for the [[skeleton]] etc. You can make the fan monster any way you want, but I would recommend just copying [[Boilerplate:Monster/copy]], and using that as a template. If you need instructions on how to use it, check out [[Boilerplate:Monster]].

::Most of the headlines you mentioned, you can put as sub-headlines to the '''"Diablo II Monster"''' headline.

::'''Secondly:''' Yes, that was a typo, I corrected it :)

::-- 11:09, 26 October 2009 [[Leord]]

== Fan Monsters Got Started ==
Hey, Leord, I just uploaded the first fan monster. Check out the [[Fan monster:Death Claw]]. Now you can update the Fan monster category by making a category box like the fan class category. I also found a solution about my form of monster description - I added the Death Claw Detailed Description in which I describe the monster my way. See if you can edit something in the Death Claw page...

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:29, 28 October 2009 (CET)

:Hehe, it's actually the SECOND monster. You were beaten by the [[Fan monster:Brutal Beast|Brutal Beast]] by a few days ;)

:Anyway, I have added your article to the navigation, and I cleaned it up a bit, removing sections, and hiding some. Remember to use the "copy" version instead of the main boilerplate. The copy version has everything ready to go, and sections not often used are hidden.

:Other than that, looking mighty fine! :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:09, 29 October 2009 (CET)

==New Search==
Nice shiny new search bar! I like it! Works loads better. I left a message for you on my talk page.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 23:56, 2 November 2009 (CET)

== Finally!!! ==
I have some spare time now.. So... Do you have any technical problems/issues/whatever you want fixed or technical things created? Want me to start making a new layout for the frontpage? Want me to create new templates etc. etc. Give me some orders and I'll check if possible then get it done if possible ;). I'll check your page tomorrow again. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:52, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:Why start later?
:Using: [[Template:The_Key_header]] as an example. Wouldn't it be smarter to catogorize it in [[Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header]] so it would show up as Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header in RC that would make it clear about who is deleting/editing what.
::P.S: This site's lay out is <s>f*cked</s> --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:01, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:::If you put the template in (Main:)Fanmade/, you would need to use <nowiki>{{Fanmade/Template:The_Key_Header}}</nowiki> to insert it on pages. That's obscure and weird if you ask me :P It's also moved out of the Template: namespace that way. Doesn't matter too much, but usually when looking for templates used in actual articles, you look in the Template: [[Special:Prefixindex|prefix-index]], rather than that of non-existant articles ([[Fanmade]] does not exist (yet)). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:57, 9 November 2009 (CET)

:::Awesome! Nice to see you having more spare time. :) The [[Main Page]] is of course a quite sensitive topic, as it's just about the most important page on the wiki. If you have design ideas, just whip up a really simple sketch in paint or the like, and upload it for us all to see. What I'm saying it it's needs to be an open debate, so don;t spend too much time on any one idea before talking to the rest of us for input. :)

:::As Vipermagi points out, it would break the regular prefixes to use slashes in the name for templates. I know the categorisation of templates could use some work, but we're probably not going to change things too much. Also, we're likely not adding Fanmade or other prefix at the moment.

:::I'd very much appreciate if you were a little bit more specific with feedback if there is something (like the layout) that is to your disliking. Is there something actually bugged, or is it a general layout choice you dislike?

:::There's plenty of other things you can do that doesn't require input from the rest of us though! There are several monsters in the [http://www.diii.net/gallery Diii.net's gallery] that don't have their own monster pages for instance. Many of the current monsters and skills need pictures. We need to add more lore entries from the [[Diablo I Manual]], [[Diablo II Manual]], [[Diablo II: Lord of Destruction Manual]] etc. The [[Timeline]] can be filled out with mroe entries from current lore. We have [[:Category:Factions|factions]], and [[:Category:Ethnic groups|ethnic groups]] etc, that really need to have a bit more clear category structure, and navbox etc.

:::I have just updated the menus of the wiki, so you can now find almost anything you want directly from the menu. Please help with feedback on whatever could be useful. Also, let's continue to discuss the new main page, but lets not lose focus on making the wiki's *content* the best on the net as well :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:14, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::::With layout I mean de links on the navigation boxes and stuff :P. Anyways I'll start with making a new lay out in paint. And I'll create a discussion topic for it. After that I'll check out the diablo II lore because I got the manuals here. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 10:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== D2 barb skills ==

I just finished doing images for the major barb skills ;) When you have some free time, check them out and tell me what you think!
--[[User:DoomBoy|Doomboy]] 5:15pm, November 8, 2009 (PST)

:Oh man, that is fantastic! I love it, the pages look so much more alive now! Is the Monk skills next? :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:37, 9 November 2009 (CET)

== Tomb Viper ==
Do you mind if I work on a wiki for the tomb viper? What kind of creature is it? Animal or Demon?
--[[User:Butch Audacity|Butch Audacity]] 10:44 PM, Nov 8, 2009

:No, go right ahead! :) Is that a real monster from the videos, or one you have invented? If it's a real monster, just class it as Demon, I think. There's no proper classification yet, so just go with what is most likely :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:55, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::The Tomb Vipers are from the Blizzcon 2009 Demo. I tried making a page for the Tomb Vipers and I wasn't allowed to. Any suggestions? -- 04:16, 10 November 2009 Butch Audacity

:::[[Tomb Vipers]]. I added it for you, but it's very easy to create [[Help:New_article|new articles]]. Also, it's great if you sign your posts on talk pages. I think you have in the past, so I might just be rude and point it out, but if you feel unsure, check out [[Help:Talk]]. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== New Fan Monsters Added ==

Hey, Leord, how are you doing?
I have added three more monsters to the fan monster category: [[Fan monster:Black Hand Mage|Black Hand Mage]], [[Fan monster:Dark Venom|Dark Venom]] and [[Fan monster:Desert Cyclops|Desert Cyclops]].

See if there is something to edit on them and you can add them to the fan monster navbox.

What are you doing these days? Let's chat.

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 22:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey! I completely forgot to reply to this. eithe myself or someone else added your monsters to the navbox in either way. I'm fine thanks, doing work on the wiki and whatnot :) Yourself? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Well I'm fine. Now I busy myself with some fan monsters and my newest project - a joke monster called Golden Pepper. This pepper is a special one - if you eat it, you will recieve a rare or unique item. Will add it as soon as I draw the picture.

::In the meantime I'm still waiting for Holyknight3000 to put colors to some of my pictures.

::And in the university I study in - The Ecology is fine. Now we are pretty close to exam session. Must study and write course projects.

::P.S.

::Yes it was me who added the new monsters to the navbox, now that I know how to do it, I will not bother you.
::I will soon contact you for creating some new articles - "Fan Items" and "Fan characters and NPCs". But still not ready for these. --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== .uuuhm ==
While Looking at the site (The navboxes in particular). I realised that this site could use some changes. So what I wanna do is the following:
*Create a new Front page (Naming it something like /NewMainpage (can be deleted after I'm done).
*Redesigning navboxes (naming the templates with things like /NpcNavbox2 and putting them on 1 page).
*Let people think and consider if they want the old designs or the new designs.

Tell me what you think and if you're okay with it I'll start with the proces. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, I forgot to reply to you too :)

:First off, always create test pages on your user page, like <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Main_Page]]</nowiki>. Good idea is also to link to it from your user page so you don't forget that it exists. :) Secondly, I'm not really looking to make a main page overhaul, unless you have something spectacular in mind. This is why I thought just doing a quick sketch in MS Paint or whatever to let me get an idea of where you were going was smart. Other than that, It's really only "Key Pages" that's planned to be changed now when most articles are presented in the top menus.

:Navboxes are really meant to be properly redesigned using both parsing and some simple java scripts, so we can use "tabs" and the like. I'm not sure spending time on a redesign in the interim is a project well spent time on. Same there though, if you have an idea that makes tabbing of navigation obsolete, I'd love to hear/see it. Make a <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Navbox]]</nowiki> page so we can see what you're thinking.

:What we REALLY need though is improving lore pages. Regardless of if you know much about Diablo lore or not, it's usually not somethign that is required. Just open one of the manuals, look at a section, make sure any relevant words are linked up, and that any of those links include the info of that section. almost always there's a lot to add, be it new characters, locations or the like. You can also check the [[http://www.diablowiki.net/Special:Wantedpages Wantedpages]], and add articles that way.

:A second thing we really need is images. Loads of pages, like [[Lut Gholein]] could use mroe descriptive imagery, and especially the [[skill]]s. All skills should have at least one image on them each.

:So, basically, show us your ideas before you start spending loads of time into coding a main page or a new navbox, and let everyone comment on it, then go. In the meanwhile, there's loads of other work needing to be done in the wiki that is just as important. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Sigh I'm having a little time out again since both my laptop and my desktop are broken (what are the odds of that??). --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 14:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Massive ouchness! :) Well, doodle a bit on a piece of paper on your planned designs, so you can do it quickly when you have access to a proper PC, or check out the manuals and look at the missing pages etc. Plan ahead ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== OMG ==

Hey, Leord, what is that long menu that stretches from the sky to the ground in the wiki site? It's quite uncomfortable. I wonder if someone has edited the site without permission. What is happening?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:Server issues, I presume. That huge list is actually the discrete navmenu you see at the top :P It's back to normal for me now.
:Additionally, I noticed this when it was a long list: [http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/Bakmachien/comw.jpg link]. Comw? Trying to navigate to that adress returns nothing, by the way (that could also be the problem: It couldn't find the server and thus exploded the style sheet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::Phew! It's back to normal to me too. Let's hope it doesn't happen again.
::BTW My English is not good enough. I want to ask you: what is the plural of "mage"? is it "magi" or "mages"? --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Either works (ex1: Mages of the Vizjerei clan, ex2: Skin of the Vipermagi). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 22:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Hey guys! Yes, I did not know they were moving the domains this weekend. I would really have wished to be there to help out, but it seems all is working now, anyway. That "comw", is that still occurring? obviously a typo if so...

::::Also; Feel free to use "Mages" or "Magi" as you see fit. "Magi" is really a more "traditional" name, like you would find in old scrolls, and "Mages" is a more commonly used name that the average farmer would use :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Having Fun? ==
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Unique to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Unique
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Uniques to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Uniques 
Creatively acquiring redirects, or what? :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hehe, making redirects without the redirect pages show up in the front page Wiki feed :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::Cleaned up [[special:doubleredirects]]; now it's filled with ''other'' redirects anyhow (which now work properly!) :D Sorry about that. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Cheers, very handy :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::You edit-conflicted me D: I was going to add "Random thought that popped up in my mind: Could the feed be filtered to only show non-minor edits? I've taped down my minor edit button since I don't make major edits often (more convenient to untick the box once every aeon to indicate a major edit than vice versa), so all but one of those edits would be filtered from the feed (it unticked for one edit, somehow). ", but I think I've changed my mind. Oh wait... ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Good point, I have no idea. I do the same thing. Sure, there's an error here or there then, when it IS a bigger edit, but something I can live with. It will be less errors this way. Is this a filter that's possible in a wiki? Otherwise it will be having to wait for a new page we were thinking of creating, listing wiki changes etc.

:::::BTW, we REALLY need to be able to use images without them linking to themselves all the time. Did you know how to fix that? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Well, in RC you can filter out Minor edits with a toggle (add &hideminor=1, or click the button in RC Options, second row). I have no idea how the feed works exactly, though, so I don't know what would and wouldn't work.
::::::As for the images: Do you mean that the images are effectively hyperlinks to the image's page? I've seen a method to make the image link to the current page, but it's irreliable (it doesn't like namespaces much...); I'll ask around to see if there's a simple method that doesn't mess up. Do you want a brute image link disable (i.e. images simple never link), or a case-by-case application? I don't know if the former is possible, but who knows. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Case-by-case was a rather obvious one: [[image:wiki.png|link=|30px]]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::: Testing [[image:wiki.png|link=http://www.diablowiki.net/|30px]]. That's an amazing find! Must have been implemented in the latest upgrade Paul did. I remember trying it out before and it not working. That is bloody awesome! It was exactly what I needed! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

==Bye!==
Leord, thanks for making me feel so welcome during my time here. Due to an unfortunate encounter with Thyiad in the SPF, I won't be returning. Good luck with the wiki. -- 20:20, 29 November 2009 JMJimmy
: Single Player Forum I suppose? From which site? I kind of assume you mean Diii.net, but why? Thyiad is not here on DW, and if you look at the main menu (perhaps you need Ctrl+F5), we've even removed that connection to Diii.net. We're linking all sites that help the wiki on the front page, which Diii.net is included, but we're our own wiki.

: You have been a great help here, and it seems very silly to leave the budding DW community for something happening on another site... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== *cough* ==
[[User_talk:Vipermagi#Java_etc|Severe cold]], sorry *cough* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

==Problem uploading image==
Hey Leord, I recently edited the Legacy of blood page and wanted to upload and image of the book cover however i encountered a problem. I either get: The file has no extension (like ".jpg"). or that i uploaded an empty file. But the file does have an extension (tried .jpg .png and .gif) and there is a file, I've tried several diffrent versions also (various sources including my own copy).Any ideas? --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 15:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:Does the path in the Source field have an extension, and does the Filename have the same extension? Additionally, when you receive an error and use the Back button in your browser, it's best to refresh the page to avoid problems. The wiki software doesn't quite like cached results ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for the reply, Viper! If I was you, Zukker, I'd put in the code in the page first, save it, and then click the red link of the image to upload it. That way it's usually right. Just remember to have the file ending the SAME both for the actual file and in the code, like Viper said. Awesome job so far! :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Ah viper i'll try that. Leord thats exactly what i did and i ran into problems. Alright that didn't work either, the extension is the same and the filename is the same...i'm pondering why this won't work :( --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 18:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Hmm... I just uploaded [[File:Four pixels of awesome.jpg|this]] image. What extension does the image have? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

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