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Risingred: /* The Leveling Curve */ oopsies

2011-08-19T06:25:56Z

‎The Leveling Curve: oopsies

Risingred: filling out a bit

2011-08-19T06:22:47Z

filling out a bit

Flux: /* Max Clvl 60 Announcement */

2011-05-20T19:02:27Z

‎Max Clvl 60 Announcement

Flux at 09:05, 20 February 2011

2011-02-20T09:05:38Z

Flux at 11:48, 13 October 2010

2010-10-13T11:48:45Z

Flux: /* Official Comments */

2010-08-07T11:09:00Z

‎Official Comments

Flux: /* Official Comments */

2010-01-20T08:02:14Z

‎Official Comments

Flux: /* Official Comments */

2010-01-19T10:50:10Z

‎Official Comments

Flux at 10:49, 19 January 2010

2010-01-19T10:49:46Z

Flux at 10:49, 19 January 2010

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 The number (60 vs 99) isn't the real issue, of course. It's just a number. What matters is how the content is balanced to the level progression, and that's where D3 makes a huge change. The design goal is that the levels match the amount of content; a character who finishes all three difficulty levels should be around level 60. Thus the end game becomes about finding items, PvP, reaching achievements, and creating new characters to do it all over again. This was first explained by [[Bashiok]] in September 2010. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/more-on-d3s-end-game-and-achievements/]
-<blue>The experience curve to 60 isn’t going to be a perfect three playthroughs of the game on each difficulty. It’s of course expected you’ll be exiting and then starting up new games, but it isn’t intended to be a grind to level. The number of levels is intended to match the amount of content. Meaning when you beat the game on Hell, yes we expect you to be around level 60. Maybe you’re a level or two shy, or maybe you’ve been 60 for a while, depending on how you played.</quote>
+<blue>The experience curve to 60 isn’t going to be a perfect three playthroughs of the game on each difficulty. It’s of course expected you’ll be exiting and then starting up new games, but it isn’t intended to be a grind to level. The number of levels is intended to match the amount of content. Meaning when you beat the game on Hell, yes we expect you to be around level 60. Maybe you’re a level or two shy, or maybe you’ve been 60 for a while, depending on how you played.</blue>
 Additional posts made clear that the projected level up rate is something like 30/50/60 when finishing the Normal/Nightmare/Hell difficulties. This point was once again expounded upon in greater depth by Bashiok in August of 2011[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/blizzard-explains-inferno-and-end-game]:
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 Again, personal play habits will influence leveling curves but we’ll do our best to make it smooth.</blue>
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 ===The Leveling Curve===
-The number (60 vs 99) isn't the real issue, of course. It's just a number. What matters is how the content is balanced to the level progression, and that's where D3 makes a huge change. The design goal is that the levels match the amount of content; a character who finishes all three difficulty levels should be around level 60. Thus the end game becomes about finding items, PvP, reaching achievements, and creating new characters to do it all over again. This was first explained in September 2010. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/more-on-d3s-end-game-and-achievements/]
+The number (60 vs 99) isn't the real issue, of course. It's just a number. What matters is how the content is balanced to the level progression, and that's where D3 makes a huge change. The design goal is that the levels match the amount of content; a character who finishes all three difficulty levels should be around level 60. Thus the end game becomes about finding items, PvP, reaching achievements, and creating new characters to do it all over again. This was first explained by [[Bashiok]] in September 2010. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/more-on-d3s-end-game-and-achievements/]
-::'''Bashiok: '''The experience curve to 60 isn’t going to be a perfect three playthroughs of the game on each difficulty. It’s of course expected you’ll be exiting and then starting up new games, but it isn’t intended to be a grind to level. The number of levels is intended to match the amount of content. Meaning when you beat the game on Hell, yes we expect you to be around level 60. Maybe you’re a level or two shy, or maybe you’ve been 60 for a while, depending on how you played.
+<blue>The experience curve to 60 isn’t going to be a perfect three playthroughs of the game on each difficulty. It’s of course expected you’ll be exiting and then starting up new games, but it isn’t intended to be a grind to level. The number of levels is intended to match the amount of content. Meaning when you beat the game on Hell, yes we expect you to be around level 60. Maybe you’re a level or two shy, or maybe you’ve been 60 for a while, depending on how you played.</quote>
-Additional posts made clear that the projected level up rate is something like 30/50/60 when finishing the Normal/Nightmare/Hell difficulties.
+Additional posts made clear that the projected level up rate is something like 30/50/60 when finishing the Normal/Nightmare/Hell difficulties. This point was once again expounded upon in greater depth by Bashiok in August of 2011[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/blizzard-explains-inferno-and-end-game]:
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 It's universally-speculated, thought not yet confirmed, that the maximum level of characters will rise in the expansion packs. This is done in many RPGs, most noticeably in World of Warcraft which began with a max level of 60, then saw it rise to 70, 80, and 85 in the first three expansions.
-==Official Comments==
+==End Game Goals and Philosophy==
-Prior to the Clvl 60 revelation, the D3 Team had spoken of their end game plans in largely abstract form. They want players to have a lot of options and activities even with high level characters, and far more fun things to do than just grinding the same bosses over and over again. Their plans to enable and encourage this play style have not yet been fully revealed.
+In addition to that, there is also the [[PVP]] [[arena]] system where players can choose to tackle the most difficult enemies in the game--other players.

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 Diablo III's end game debate changed radically in September 2010, when the developers revealed that the maximum level characters could achieve in the game would be 60, rather than 99 (or 100) as they'd previously hinted. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-iiis-maximum-level-announced-60/]
-::'''Bashiok: The 60 level cap we’re working with came from a lot of time and thinking about our content and how we want the experience to feel at every level. It so happens that it works for us really well.
+::'''Bashiok: '''The 60 level cap we’re working with came from a lot of time and thinking about our content and how we want the experience to feel at every level. It so happens that it works for us really well.
 ::Of course it all comes down to an XP curve. We could, for instance, say the level cap in Diablo III is 60 and then pace that curve and gain out over what we estimate it took someone to reach 99 in Diablo II. Of course we wouldn’t do that but it should help illustrate that the time from 1-60 in Diablo II does not equal the amount of time it will take to reach 60 in Diablo III. 60 levels versus 99 levels doesn’t mean less content or less powerful characters, etc.
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 It's universally-speculated, thought not yet confirmed, that the maximum level of characters will rise in the expansion packs. This is done in many RPGs, most noticeably in World of Warcraft which began with a max level of 60, then saw it rise to 70, 80, and 85 in the first three expansions.
 ==Official Comments==

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 Many game designers end up producing most post-release content for the end game, since that's where most players are spending their time, rather than simply making new level 1 characters and going through the whole experience again. The {{iw|Pandemonium_Event Pandemonium Event}}, added to Diablo II in the v1.11 patch, is a good example of added end game material, since it was only available on the realms, and only possible to engage in with very high level, well-equipped characters.
 ==Official Comments==
-The D3 Team has not given many details about their end game plans, but they have stressed that they want players to have a lot of options and activities even with high level characters.
+Prior to the Clvl 60 revelation, the D3 Team had spoken of their end game plans in largely abstract form. They want players to have a lot of options and activities even with high level characters, and far more fun things to do than just grinding the same bosses over and over again. Their plans to enable and encourage this play style have not yet been fully revealed.
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 The D3 Team has not given many details about their end game plans, but they have stressed that they want players to have a lot of options and activities even with high level characters.
 Blizzcon 2009: [http://g4tv.com/games/pc/28197/diablo-iii/articles/68225/BlizzCon-2009-Diablo-III-Game-Director-Interview/]
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 ::'''Leonard Boyarsky: '''Yeah, we have ideas about how we want to handle those things, specifically it’s something we’ve talked about at length and we have a solution that we think is gonna work really good and keep people from having to continually do the same runs over and over.

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	::This is the philosophy we've put into the Diablo endgame. So it's not that you're not doing runs, it's that you're not doing the same run over and over again. There's a reason for you to kill this boss, then that boss, then maybe explore that dungeon. There's a benefit that pushes you around through all the content. We have some systems planned for that, but that's definitely our focus, to get out of that…I'm doing one run over and over again, and get to the idea of, I'm doing every possible run that can be done. To show off the broadest array of content.		::This is the philosophy we've put into the Diablo endgame. So it's not that you're not doing runs, it's that you're not doing the same run over and over again. There's a reason for you to kill this boss, then that boss, then maybe explore that dungeon. There's a benefit that pushes you around through all the content. We have some systems planned for that, but that's definitely our focus, to get out of that…I'm doing one run over and over again, and get to the idea of, I'm doing every possible run that can be done. To show off the broadest array of content.
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		+	Bosses and end game variety, from Blizzcon 2009: [http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/pc/games/156898.Diablo-III/features/133759.20090831.BlizzCon-Diablo-III-devs-discuss-design-decisions-direction-depth-drops/]
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		+	::'''Julian Love: '''We're trying to have it so that there's more things to do than just, like, when you've played the game a ton, rather than just doing boss runs to get items, we want to have more things like quest runs or things like that, different challenges you can do to get the item drops we have. We want to vary up that late-game stuff for the super experienced guys.

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