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Flux: /* Additional HC Content */

2012-03-09T17:03:54Z

‎Additional HC Content

Elly: /* Availability */

2011-11-02T03:06:27Z

‎Availability

Elly at 01:06, 2 November 2011

2011-11-02T01:06:28Z

Elly at 00:53, 2 November 2011

2011-11-02T00:53:08Z

Elly: Availability and trading

2011-11-02T00:26:14Z

Availability and trading

Flux: /* Arena PvP */

2011-10-27T11:33:31Z

‎Arena PvP

Flux: /* The Perma-Death Debate */

2011-10-27T11:30:40Z

‎The Perma-Death Debate

Flux: /* Arena PvP */

2011-10-27T11:30:05Z

‎Arena PvP

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 Hardcore and Normal (or "Softcore") characters are kept completely separate on Battle.net, and can not interact, trade items or gold, share stash space, enter the same games, etc. Even on the same account, HC and SC are totally separate and a player just starting out in Hardcore will have zero gold, have to train up all their Artisans and buy stash space, etc.
 * [http://diablo.incgamers.com/diablo3/game-features/hardcore All Hardcore News via Diablo.IncGamers.com]
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 * [http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?30-Hardcore Hardcore Diablo 2 Forum]
 * [http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/537 D2 Hardcore Graveyard Image Gallery]

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 * 3) No opinion/don't care. -- 366 votes, 20.62%
 ==Additional HC Content==
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 * [http://forums.diii.net/forumdisplay.php?f=30 Hardcore D2 Forum]
 * [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=532 D2 Hardcore Graveyard Image Gallery]
 ==References==

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 ==Availability==
-Players will have the ability to create a character to play Hardcore mode after they have completed normal difficulty in [[Softcore]] mode. This was confirmed at Blizzcon 2011 but at stage still was not set in stone. <ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/jay-wilson-press-conference-from-blizzcon Press Conference, Blizzcon 2011] - Blizzard, 26/10/11</ref>
+Players will have the ability to create a character in Hardcore mode after they have completed normal difficulty in [[Softcore]] mode. This was confirmed at Blizzcon 2011 but at that stage it was still not set in stone. <ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/jay-wilson-press-conference-from-blizzcon Press Conference, Blizzcon 2011] - Blizzard, 26/10/11</ref>
 <blue>Yes, you will have to play through to a certain point to unlock hardcore mode, I think it’s through normal difficulty after you kill the end boss. I’m like 90% sure, so we could change our minds.</blue>
 ==Trading in Hardcore==

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	Hardcore players will still be able to trade item for item, should an item-based currency develop, amongst themselves as they do in Diablo 2.		Hardcore players will still be able to trade item for item, should an item-based currency develop, amongst themselves as they do in Diablo 2.
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		+	==Death in Hardcore==
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		+	The character is mortal and therefore death is final. The items on the character's body are lost forever as are the items in your inventory (backpack). Your items do not pop off your body onto the ground when you die so a friend can not pick them up to pass onto you later. It is all gone. The items in your [[Stash]] are not lost as that is shared between all your hardcore characters.
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		+	Details of your dead character's statistics, gear and achievements will be stored in your in-game profile in a list called [[Halls of the Dead]], the characters can not be taken into a game to view however.

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+[[Category:Hardcore]]
 [[category:basics]]

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	Dead hardcore characters in [[Diablo 2]] are able to log back onto the [[Battle.net]] chat channels, but they can not join or create games. It's not known how this aspect of things will be handled in Diablo III.		Dead hardcore characters in [[Diablo 2]] are able to log back onto the [[Battle.net]] chat channels, but they can not join or create games. It's not known how this aspect of things will be handled in Diablo III.
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		+	==Availability==
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		+	Players will have the ability to create a character to play Hardcore mode after they have completed normal difficulty in [[Softcore]] mode. This was confirmed at Blizzcon 2011 but at stage still was not set in stone. <ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/jay-wilson-press-conference-from-blizzcon Press Conference, Blizzcon 2011] - Blizzard, 26/10/11</ref>
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		+	<blue>Yes, you will have to play through to a certain point to unlock hardcore mode, I think it’s through normal difficulty after you kill the end boss. I’m like 90% sure, so we could change our minds.</blue>
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		+	==Trading in Hardcore==
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		+	Trade in the [[Auction House]] is separated between game modes. Hardcore characters cannot use the softcore auction house, and vice versa. In addition to this, hardcore characters may only use the gold-based auction house. Any and all items, including characters for sale, may only be purchased with gold.
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		+	Hardcore players will still be able to trade item for item, should an item-based currency develop, amongst themselves as they do in Diablo 2.


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	* [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=532 D2 Hardcore Graveyard Image Gallery]		* [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=532 D2 Hardcore Graveyard Image Gallery]

		+	==References==

		+	<references><references/>

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	==Arena PvP==		==Arena PvP==
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		+	Hardcore characters can duel other Hardcore characters in the PvP [[Battle Arena]], just like normal characters. The big issue was not about dueling, but about the consequences thereof. After all, Hardcore characters stay dead once they die to monsters, while the Diablo III Arena is designed for very fast action and repeated deaths, with the winning team the one that dies less in 10 minutes.

	After two years of often bitter debate, the Diablo III team changed their initial plans, and announced at BlizzCon 2011 that Hardcore characters would no longer "die" when engaging in Arena PvP.[http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/blizzcon/pc/games/156898.Diablo-III/features/138132.20111026.Blizzards-Wyatt-Cheng-and-Andrew-Chambers-on-Diablo-III/]		After two years of often bitter debate, the Diablo III team changed their initial plans, and announced at BlizzCon 2011 that Hardcore characters would no longer "die" when engaging in Arena PvP.[http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/blizzcon/pc/games/156898.Diablo-III/features/138132.20111026.Blizzards-Wyatt-Cheng-and-Andrew-Chambers-on-Diablo-III/]

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 Jay Wilson enthused about instant perma-death Hardcore dueling at Blizzcon 2010, and @Diablo repeated that in November 2010. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-on-hardcore-pvp/]
-<blue>If you PvP in hardcore and you die, you’re dead. Hardcore PvP leader board is going to be... hardcore! --Diablo
+<blue>If you PvP in hardcore and you die, you’re dead. Hardcore PvP leader board is going to be... hardcore! --Diablo<br>
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 <font color="#FFFFFF">''Yeah, it’ll be hardcore, but it undermines your Arena design. How can you have 3 rounds if you die forever in the first one? --NocturneGS</font><br>
 It doesn’t undermine anything. Although I would expect it to become most popular at specific skill tier unlocks. --Diablo</blue>
 Cracks in the armor of this opinion began to show in mid-2011, when [[Jay Wilson]] alluded to internal conflict on this issue. He said that some of the "strike team" were arguing for a non-permanent death mode for Hardcore dueling, since they feared it would just result in HC players never getting to duel with their own characters.
 ===Hardcore Dueling Arguments===

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 ==Arena PvP==
-The current plan, as of late 2010, is for Hardcore dueling to work just like a PvM hardcore game (and not like the normal [[Arena]], where it's team-based, games last for 15 minutes, and the team with the most total round victories wins). In the Hardcore Arena, as initially planned, any death is the end of a character. There's no team play, and no best of 5 or 7, and no 15 minutes of play, as in the regular Arena.  One death = no more character, whether that takes 10 seconds or 2 minutes, and whether that char's team wins after his death.
+After two years of often bitter debate, the Diablo III team changed their initial plans, and announced at BlizzCon 2011 that Hardcore characters would no longer "die" when engaging in Arena PvP.[http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/blizzcon/pc/games/156898.Diablo-III/features/138132.20111026.Blizzards-Wyatt-Cheng-and-Andrew-Chambers-on-Diablo-III/]
 Jay Wilson enthused about instant perma-death Hardcore dueling at Blizzcon 2010, and @Diablo repeated that in November 2010. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-on-hardcore-pvp/]
-::If you PvP in hardcore and you die, you’re dead. Hardcore PvP leader board is going to be... hardcore! --Diablo
+<blue>If you PvP in hardcore and you die, you’re dead. Hardcore PvP leader board is going to be... hardcore! --Diablo
-::''Yeah, it’ll be hardcore, but it undermines your Arena design. How can you have 3 rounds if you die forever in the first one? --NocturneGS
+Cracks in the armor of this opinion began to show in mid-2011, when [[Jay Wilson]] alluded to internal conflict on this issue. He said that some of the "strike team" were arguing for a non-permanent death mode for Hardcore dueling, since they feared it would just result in HC players never getting to duel with their own characters.
-===Hardcore Dueling Arguments===
+This has proven a very contentious subject, with strong opinions on both sides. The argument largely breaks down to a "realist vs. idealist" conundrum.
-This has proven a very contentious subject, with strong opinions on both sides. Some threads with much debate about the issue:
+* Supporters are idealists who argue that permanent death is a non-negotiable part of HC, and that such high stakes will make for every intense Arena combat.
 * [http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=785939 HC Dueling in D3?]
 * [http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=732438 PvP HC Dueling Without Permanent Death]
 * [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-on-hardcore-pvp/ How about HC dueling?]
-There are numerous fan suggestions to make HC dueling like SC dueling by people who are afraid of dieing.
+[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/vote-hardcore-pvp/ Diii.net ran a vote on the issue] in November 2010, which spawned another long comment thread of people on both sides of the issue. The vote results:
-* An arena practice mode which would work just like SC dueling. Perma-death duels would remain an option if both players agreed.
+* 1) HC Arena should be always HC. -- 887 votes, 49.97%
-* A best-of format for HC duels, where the most kills in 5 or 10 or 15 minutes would rule out, and the other team would die. (How to stop disconnects before the time limit is an issue.)
+* 2) HC Chars should have a non-lethal Arena option. -- 522 votes, 29.41%
-** Equipment wagering penalty. The characters in a duel put up all (or some) of their equipment as bond; if they leave the game before the conclusion, all of their gear goes to the other team/player. This would punish chicken-hack disconnecters, while hurting someone who got actually did lose connection, but at least leaving their character alive.
+* 3) No opinion/don't care. -- 366 votes, 20.62%
 ==Additional HC Content==